Gotta love people cancelling their accounts SOLELY because of PvP.

*Poor minigame, fun for about 30 min tops
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*Storyline isn't sufficient to put up with the same side quests over and over

All I want is a POINT to the PVP outside of *********** dailies and gear. Is that so hard to understand? Why is it so hard for devs to understand this?

Space Combat: Repetitive. I'm all done with all of them. No rewards that are really interesting.

Harmodes: Same.

Operations: Dependant on a LOT of other people, I run them when I can, but that's really only once or twice a week.

Dailies: I despise repeatable quests over and over and over and over. Never did like them.

Crafting: Done. Quite literally nothing more to craft except the occasional hilt or something for a guildmates alt while leveling.

Alts: Too grindy never liked alts.

Chatting: I have vent, IM, email, a house where people can gather. Why would I play an MMO just to sit in a 3D rendered room to chat?

PvP IS end game in modern MMOs. Without it there is nothing Devs can design that would even begin to approach the level of entertainment and challenge that PvP offers.

A real human opponent can do something NO amount of instanced NPC fighting can do. React and adapt.

But to each his own. I also like movies, I just don't expect my MMO to deliver The Kings Speech to me to watch while I'm sitting in the fleet.

Editing to add: Not to mention the fact that the game environment BEGS for PvP. It's empire and republic. It's Star Wars. It IS PvP.

Unless they built a game where you could ONLY play as republic and not sith, BHs, etc...then I'd have to suggest the game is inherantly a PvP game.

When a Star Wars game is developed that allows for play on BOTH sides it HAS to be PvP.

Why are you pretending that this is all being done completely from scratch with no input on the matter. There are NUMEROUS examples of what has been done already. Even if you strive for something that has never been done before, you are at least aware of what has been done before (and whether or not it's worked or not).

Claiming ignorance when you have a 200 MILLION DOLLAR game budget and really think they were ignorant in their game design decisions is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard

The truth is they made a lot of assumptions with their systems. They assumed people would fight for control over Ilum objectives. They assumed people would want to farm for valor. Now again they assumed they would fight over the Armaments. They need to stop making these ridiculous assumptions and start making sensible changes:

1. Give reasons for people to keep fighting in Ilum once their daily is done. You could really go on for hours on methods and ways to do this, but this is one of the biggest problems with Ilum currently. Once your weekly/daily is done, you are done.

2. Give Valor a meaning besides just hitting rank 60 if you're going to use it as your motivating factor. Renown worked in WAR because there was more than just a gear rank to hit. It also meant extra points, extra talent points, etc. While those ideas may not work for SWTOR, other rewards and incentives need to keep driving players to go after farming Valor (again, especially if you want it to be your motivating incentive to PvP).

I mean really we could go on all day with numerous ways and methods to fix the system, but really it's up to them whether or not they're going to do something about it. I'm willing to give them some time and the benefit of the doubt, but I've certainly heard "Coming soon!" far too often out of MMO developers before.

DAOC never had anything right, from class balance to RVR. The only reason it maintained subs is there was there was no real compotition on the market at the time.

Some people play only for PvP. Who the hell are you to tell people what they should find most enjoyable in a game? Get off your high horse.

Grammar is something you should "have" learned in the first place. "should have, not should of..."

You want story and "roleplaying" go play a pen and paper game or single player game. Though overall you sound like a console kiddie or someone who sits in town all day "lolarpeeing".

I never had any system issues with wow. I had broken mechanics in pvp, servers being down at launch etc..

Sir they are in the same game category. Therefore they can be compared. Also, it happens to be updated and still going as the #1 mmo. The other competitors that have released games to take market share from WoW have been super polished. This game's newb content is smooth. Everything after Taris is a mess.

Oh and my PC is a beast. A complete and utter beast. My PC is about 1/4 the cost of my new car. And it gets 10 FPS in Ilum. GG Bioware/Old Warhammer Devs. You lost once again.

What is the most shocking thing, is that in beta, alot of fixes we are crying for were infact IN the game, but then they changed them, just to piss off subscribers and lose a record amount of subs in the first two months it seems.