Gotta love people cancelling their accounts SOLELY because of PvP.

Gotta love the derp derps who are coming into the thread and trying to justify the lack of quality of the pvp aspect of this game.

No, we are not going to sit in the fleet and talk in general. No, I will not kill mobs for gear. No, I will not use my useless crew skills to pass the time.

In the end, I have seen more than my fair share of MMOs in my life. And this is one of them that is making claims that they can produce any aspect of the game at a high quality. No lag, button press lag, fps lag, poor pvp currency system to acquire gear. They could have just came out and said that pvp was not going to be a major aspect of the game and people would have accepted this. There are plenty of MMOs that have said they were PVEcentric at creation and I am fine with that walking into a new mmo game.

But don't make promises you can't keep. This isn't any different from when you buy a car and it is not performing as advertised a couple weeks/months after you buy it and you find out that the business that sold it to you satisfied a minor part of that claim. I know people will say "Well WoW has had it's issues". Yes I will agree with that, but every part of WoW has been critiqued to a high quality and blizzard themselves have worked with the customer base to solve the issues. There is no crazy *********** FPS lag like here, the systems that didn't work were revamped in favor of the player.

Lastly, I should have known better. If these morons couldn't get Warhammer to work correctly with the same exact issues over a very long period of time. FPS lag in sieges, Button press lag in pvp and sieges. Low FPS no matter what the system specs. What was I thinking putting my faith in them AGAIN.

Just give me a giant Ewok Planet with bases at each end 1 Republic and one Empire, then have a fight for power amongst the woodlands free PVP with randomly placed power ups, maybe have CTF flags in each base ... I want a free pvp enviroment, no rules no time limits, no dumb annoucer yelling frogdogs and rotworms!!!!!!


Have some speeders we can fight with while bashing each other off trees. Give me something UN- CERTAIN Let my faction players and I determine how it will be played and won.... Not the predetermined timer with rules and walls holding me at spawn!

You out level planets by 5-6 levels if you just play normally. Therefore you skip content and or find it unchallenging to complete. I don't mean make it more of a grind. I mean its to fast a process if you are truly trying to engage in "playing" the game.

I liked guild wars personally. Just create a pvp only character. Max stat gear and skills. Go pvp. Didn't matter what you wanted to play. What build. PvP is great. I agree if you don't want to do the story and only play it online you should be able to do that.

I would say that mmo's make awful pvp games, since they are not geared to the average shooter players.

They generally require you to grind for an advantage. They expect you to do the story. I'd say if you wanted to completely skip the story you should go play a shooter. This game will never feel right to you imo.

Do you even know why most other MMOs died? Cause they couldnt accommodate the PvP crowd.

And guess what? STOR will be a ghost town after the 3rd month is up.

Oh yeah Guild Wars 2 BETA goes live in Feb.

Cool story bro.

Even though the number of warzones are limited, they are not static... unlike PVE flashpoints/ops/heroics

Perhaps you've never participated, but you can't walk up to the enemy, buff up, formulate strategy, cc the hardest mob, and begin to decimate. Or read up on google the various walk-through guides for a given encounter. If you've done one heroic/flashpoint, you've done them all. The story is the only thing different. If I wanted a story I'd read a book.

There is no walk-through for PVP.

You should try it sometime.

Unique storylines perhaps, but 90% of the quests will be the same for every class. Crafting to 400 and then what? it doesn't even take long or much effort and there is only a few items you will want to craft at lvl 50.

Space combat is a minigame, it's fun for the first few times but it's mainly there to give xp while levelling. lolled at sitting in fleet chatting, I don't login to a game JUST to chat to people, if I want to do that I will use facebook or skype.

If you launch a game with 60 PVP servers, people go there and expect there to be working PVP. If the PVP doesn't work as intended, due to bugs or bad design decisions, people get upset.

Personally, I don't like PVE dungeons, and I positively hate the space combat in this game. Of all possible play styles, I prefer Realm vs Realm PVP (open world), followed
by PVP wargames. In this game, the world PVP is severely lacking, and the wargames are buggy, to the point that 50% of games won doesn't register on the quest tracket. That takes a LOT of the fun out of playing. If you dangle a carrot, it's kinda assumed the carrot will actually be THERE if you win.

Add to that the horrible random number generated chance-to-get-gear and some class abilities not being quite in line with the rest, and you get one frustrated PVP community.

I don't think that's accurate unless you are talking about a fps.

The most successful games are ones that aren't focused on pvp. Hence why APB/Crimecraft which ARE 100% pvp are utter fail.

Swg had HORRIBLE pvp but it wasn't until they broke the pve/skill trees and crafting that everyone left.

WoW's pvp is a total joke and considered broken by everyone, yet that game isn't broken for the millions who still sub and play and there are tons who raid constantly and never touch pvp.

PvP is just icing...or crap when it's bad, not gamebreaking. Anyone coming to a STORY mmo expecting the be all end all pvp experience is fooling themselves and needs to go back to bf3 and mw3 or mmo side Lineage/gw.

TL;DR = "This isn't the pvp game you're looking for"

+1 for super cool ironic troll.

Or could it be because they're both F2P no-name games with zero marketing and crappy management?

FYI - APB "died" to a massive hack fest, and was resurrected by one of THE most incompetent gaming companies on the planet (shares the title with EA), GamersFirst™.