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Premade group QQ's -- I don't get the logic

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Premade group QQ's -- I don't get the logic

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Dreadspectre
01.26.2012 , 12:39 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Tristita View Post
Imo punish people for making friends. And after reading some of the posts in this thread from anti-premade people, it's clear why they don't have any friends =3
Playing with friends is one thing. I play with friends all the time and still suck because we have a piss poor comp and no vent.

Premades are folks whos group is designed to win, have vent etc.

Solo queue people want to queue against solo, premades should queue premades.

I don't really care either way as I said earlier in my post that most premade players suck on their own. Just memorize their names and look for them in warzones/ilum and watch how bad they are if the rest of their group isn't with them.

I have **** on so many premade player chests in Ilum when theyre alone it's not even funny.

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Dogfatherxx
01.26.2012 , 12:42 PM | #42
Anyone who run in a premade that doesn't want to be matched against other premade is the worst kind of player...a bad one that thinks they are good.

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GothicSaint
01.26.2012 , 12:47 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Tristita View Post
Imo punish people for making friends. And after reading some of the posts in this thread from anti-premade people, it's clear why they don't have any friends =3
I've heard this one before.

No !, it is called something that is Very rare and pretty much nonexistent anymore with MMO players...


FAIR

Let me counter with..

Why would it be unfair or a punishment to face the same group make up as your own?
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Aedn
01.26.2012 , 12:49 PM | #44
basically people do not want to make the effort required to be successful in warzones. Most just want to wander in, pew pew and be rewarded. Since some people understand that the game mechanics encourage grouping and being organized to do the most, they tend to win more often then not.

Basically your playing the game the way it should be, with balanced groups and clearly defined roles for your group, and the pubbies wont bother to do the same. Since most of them are by nature selfish , more often then not,they are DPS players who whine about getting rolled, rather then build a team, or respec to heal a team so they can win.

I dont really have an issue with pre-made only ques, frankly i would prefer them as the level of play is far better generally, and makes the warzone match more enjoyable.

Basically what it boils down to is " i want to solo que, and have the game reward me, without bothering to put out any effort, or do the slightest bit of teamwork". Many times i solo que as well due to my RL schedule, i just dont ***** about it when i get rolled by people who put in the effort.

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Nicain
01.26.2012 , 12:53 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Seurot View Post
Also pug is also probably to be 8 dps. Premade is set up with required classes for the warzone.
Organization wont' matter. I've been in pugs where we can't even kill someone 3v1 cause they have healing. And you can't focus the healer cause you die before you can down the healer.
Lvl50 pvp is not fun unless you're in a set group. The game will not last long this way.
Team work will always beat disorder. I don't see why people have an issue with a pre-made group.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

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Vlaid
01.26.2012 , 12:56 PM | #46
Premades want to premade

Solo queuers want to solo queue and only face solo queuers. It's fun having random PVP.

Both can have what they want. But premades need to stop getting free wins against pugs by being placed only against other premades, but in a cross server queue.

Most FPS's have something similar, where you can only queue up for a random game solo of some sort, and then there's the actual rated matches that let you group up. You'd think all these hardcore pvpers that "just want to play with friends" would understand the concept from all these other superior pvp games. Premades should fight premades, end of story.
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Vaccaboia
01.26.2012 , 01:03 PM | #47
i'm one who QQ about premades "ruining" my game, i would be very happy if "premade league" get an exclusive tier, mount, companion, spaceship, planet or whatever.

Because i don't mind if i lose, really, i swear, i simply mind if i don't have fun.

Losing when you hope to win until the last second is real fun, even if you lose, losing the hope to win after 10 seconds is really not fun for me.

My problem is that i don't want to enter "pro" mode, i want to play a game because it's a game, not because it's a sport.

so i don't care if i can't reach top equip or top prize, give me a "smurf" scale prize chart and let me pew pew with fun.

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GothicSaint
01.26.2012 , 01:10 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Nicain View Post
Team work will always beat disorder. I don't see why people have an issue with a pre-made group.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Because when a minority disrupts the majority and turns something enjoyable into a disaster people will stop doing it and eventually those who still like to do it can't do it because people stop queueing.

Let's face it, right now premades in WZ are not over whelming YET!.

You know IT when you face one though and they are not rare.

When the leaderboard pops at the end of the match which of course you lost BIG time and you see an average of 40 some odd kills their team, to less than a dozen for your team its no mystery what happened.

If you face this more than 3 or 4 in a row ( not uncommon when a PM decides to camp the winning streak )you decide not to queue for awhile.

Group winning is attractive and once it is seen as a easy option it will spread, still a minority as compared to solo players but more than enough to ruin it to were people wont queue as often and as time goes by not at all
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kpalais
01.26.2012 , 01:11 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Aedn View Post
basically people do not want to make the effort required to be successful in warzones. Most just want to wander in, pew pew and be rewarded. Since some people understand that the game mechanics encourage grouping and being organized to do the most, they tend to win more often then not.

Basically your playing the game the way it should be, with balanced groups and clearly defined roles for your group, and the pubbies wont bother to do the same. Since most of them are by nature selfish , more often then not,they are DPS players who whine about getting rolled, rather then build a team, or respec to heal a team so they can win.

I dont really have an issue with pre-made only ques, frankly i would prefer them as the level of play is far better generally, and makes the warzone match more enjoyable.

Basically what it boils down to is " i want to solo que, and have the game reward me, without bothering to put out any effort, or do the slightest bit of teamwork". Many times i solo que as well due to my RL schedule, i just dont ***** about it when i get rolled by people who put in the effort.
How would you go about securing that you only went up against people who's make up is just like your own?

Should we have individual ques, were DPS has to wait 30 - 40 minutes when tanks get in right away? What would be the arbitrary composition of what a team composition should be and what if I think 3 dps and 1 healer is fine when the team requires a 1 dps, 2 healers, 1 tank?

What if my premade is just 4 friends who are all dps sorcs? We can't run together because we don't fit the right composition?

Your idea of 'fair' is very narrow and lacking.

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Vlaid
01.26.2012 , 01:18 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by GothicSaint View Post
Because when a minority disrupts the majority and turns something enjoyable into a disaster people will stop doing it and eventually those who still like to do it can't do it because people stop queueing.

Let's face it, right now premades in WZ are not over whelming YET!.

You know IT when you face one though and they are not rare.

When the leaderboard pops at the end of the match which of course you lost BIG time and you see an average of 40 some odd kills their team, to less than a dozen for your team its no mystery what happened.

If you face this more than 3 or 4 in a row ( not uncommon when a PM decides to camp the winning streak )you decide not to queue for awhile.

Group winning is attractive and once it is seen as a easy option it will spread, still a minority as compared to solo players but more than enough to ruin it to were people wont queue as often and as time goes by not at all
I just leave games with premades. Sure it's poor sport, but so is fighting an oroganized team with a pug. I don't feel bad at all at contributing to their non-games.

If I want to fight a premade, I'll form up a premade (which I do regularly). But when I premade I don't want to fight pugs. Funny that huh? Someone who premades who actually WANTS a challenge as opposed to steamrolls. I respect people who premade a lot more if they can admit it's not fair for pugs to even have to face premades and WANT to face premades.
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Because there's more to PVP than open world PVP.