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Nerf Sorcs/Sages


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Iridor
01.26.2012 , 10:02 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Livein View Post
I'm rank 55 sorc with 450 expertise and over 16k hp with BH buff. Operative can take me down to 20% within his initial rotation. After that there comes grenades, stun and I'm done. That's OP for you.

Sorcs/Sages are pretty strong yes. They have good damage mobility and CC. Sage/Sorc healers take some time to kill, but that applies to all healing class in this game. My advise L2interrupt.

So we have dps, mobility and CC. On the other hand we are squishy class without any meaningful burst. CC may look good on paper, but try go trigger happy with it and you have opponent with full resolve bar closing on you fast.

Bottom line. Play the class before ******** on it.
Bad troll is just bad.
This is a good, standard response from a sorc/sage to this kind of thread. Let's take a look at the details.

"One class can take me very low in his full cc/burst combo because he catches me off guard/without bubble/not paying attention/being bad. And that class is eating a giant nerf next patch. Oh, and when I get back up with a full resolve bar, I can run away and heal myself." Uh... huh.

"Yeah, we're pretty good because we have good... everything. And we're hard to kill, but all healers are like that. Just interrupt... it will work against bad players who only have one heal on their bar. Ignore the fact that we have more insta/short-cast heals than any other class." Uh... huh.

"So we have everything that anyone could want in PvP except a oneshot button. But we don't have "meaningful" burst, where meaningful means equivalent to the class that has to have huge burst because that's all it can do. And oh, by the way, all that amazing PvP goodness we have doesn't mean anything, because if you play like a baddie it's worthless." Uh... huh.

"Bottom line: because I struggle to abuse an OP class due to the fact that I am bad, everyone who claims that it is OP is clearly bad and should be ignored." Yep. Uh huh. Right.

Seriously though? I love how when these types of threads come up, the assumption is that the people complaining are bad, not that the people defending it are bad.

Also I love that people are arguing that sorc/sage isn't OP. Every single sorc/sage in my guild, currently several hundred members strong, agrees that they're amazingly good in PvP - even the people who are actually bad at PvP can see this. Yes, the class being good doesn't make it autowin... it's still all about the player at the keyboard. But they're definitely the top of the power scale. And there has been much vocalized rubbing of hands and evil chuckling in Vent in anticipation of the patch when the only class that could decently counter them will be eating the giant nerfbat.

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Cynan_Ski
01.26.2012 , 10:09 AM | #62
I don't know how you guys are angry other than a merc or commando fighting a sage/sorc how can you fail? 1:1 which btw rarely happens unless iam heavily out classed ya in levels in the 1-49 bracket with talent point over ya or my gear is alot better not seeing how your having so much trouble. I hate the L2Play idea but sometimes really maybe you need to dust off some of those lesser used skills instead of mashing 4 of the same ones


as in getting gang banged by a ******** of lightning like the sky is falling on ya well everyone would feel that way. If the whole WZ was mercs / commando / ops / people would be calling for nerfs on that too
Camping is for losers
" I wonder if the Nazi's said that same thing to the 101st airborne in bastone "
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resolve bar? i thought was the gang bang meter....

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Excedrin
01.26.2012 , 10:25 AM | #63
Sorcs/Sages are fine, you're not doing it right if you can't kill them.
Alone is the default state of an MMO player, whether if be for minutes (or) months, and the game should embrace that. But making a massively single player game isn’t the answer.

-Damion Schubert

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ArchAUstin
01.26.2012 , 10:29 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Excedrin View Post
Sorcs/Sages are fine, you're not doing it right if you can't kill them.
I play a sage and i can say we are absolutely overpowered to the tenth degree.

Not only do I have every Utility tool in the game, ON TOP OF THAT i also have absurd damage and survivability.

Knockback+root?, 2 stuns 30m ranged? instant cast polymorph 30m range? Sprint? Interupt that locks out for 6 seconds at 30m range? you cant even BEGIN to compare the utility of this class to other classes.

EDIT: they need to place the utility talents higher up in the balance and Telekinetics trees so that you cant get BOTH the utility from Telekinetics and from balance....

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Cynan_Ski
01.26.2012 , 10:31 AM | #65
I play a Vanguard and Powetech and i say nerf them iam too awesome at it.....


See i can make up **** too
Camping is for losers
" I wonder if the Nazi's said that same thing to the 101st airborne in bastone "
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordekaiserr View Post
resolve bar? i thought was the gang bang meter....

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Excedrin
01.26.2012 , 10:37 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by ArchAUstin View Post
I play a sage and i can say we are absolutely overpowered to the tenth degree.

Not only do I have every Utility tool in the game, ON TOP OF THAT i also have absurd damage and survivability.

Knockback+root?, 2 stuns 30m ranged? instant cast polymorph 30m range? Sprint? Interupt that locks out for 6 seconds at 30m range? you cant even BEGIN to compare the utility of this class to other classes.

EDIT: they need to place the utility talents higher up in the balance and Telekinetics trees so that you cant get BOTH the utility from Telekinetics and from balance....
I will repeat my statement, and offer the suggestion that you take a look at other classes. You'll find that everyone is afforded PLENTY of utility and control, you just have a large majority of players that don't use it and then wonder why they're failing when they sit and spam their DPS abilities rather than cleverly interrupting/blinding/stunning/what have you.

As a healer sorc I have neither more nor less utility than a merc or op. If you think sorcs have anything that even TOUCHES stealth utility-wise then you're just absolutely delusional or not very creative when it comes to the use of stealth.
Alone is the default state of an MMO player, whether if be for minutes (or) months, and the game should embrace that. But making a massively single player game isn’t the answer.

-Damion Schubert

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Remulan
01.26.2012 , 10:37 AM | #67
Yea, I have a battlemaster of every class but sorc and every time I go up against one they kill me in 5 seconds no matter which of my 9 other battlemaster toons I am playing. I am obviously good because I have so many battlemasters and everything I say is true because you are reading it.

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ArchAUstin
01.26.2012 , 10:45 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Excedrin View Post
I will repeat my statement, and offer the suggestion that you take a look at other classes. You'll find that everyone is afforded PLENTY of utility and control, you just have a large majority of players that don't use it and then wonder why they're failing when they sit and spam their DPS abilities rather than cleverly interrupting/blinding/stunning/what have you.

As a healer sorc I have neither more nor less utility than a merc or op. If you think sorcs have anything that even TOUCHES stealth utility-wise then you're just absolutely delusional or not very creative when it comes to the use of stealth.
I have a 50 scoundrel, 44, sage, 40, sentinel, and i have read through all the troopers skills because i have thought about rolling one.

Every class has utility, but no class has as much utility or even close to as much as a sage.

Reason being you can get ALL the utility from both damage trees because they are too early in the trees.

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gryhmr
01.26.2012 , 10:47 AM | #69
Sorc/Sage are absolutely the best class in the game because they have absolutely no weaknesses and have all the capability in the world. They need to make bubble have a longer cooldown and make it so sorc/sage do not have force speed.

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Iamurfriend
01.26.2012 , 11:06 AM | #70
L2p bad kids!!