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This game will be HIGHLY successful!

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Noodz
01.26.2012 , 10:16 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by xNonphixionx View Post
Y

Let me ask this...Is every musical artist that is not Michael Jackson considered unsuccesful? I mean nobody will ever break his records sales so wouldnt that mean everyone else is unsuccesful?
The Beatles and Elvis have Jackson beat already

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Chrismilk
01.26.2012 , 10:20 AM | #42
I'm really enjoying the game so far.

The storyline and crafting system is amazing.

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asbalana
01.26.2012 , 10:23 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by ChipHazard View Post
Probably not. Then again cars don't have anything in common with video games.
It's a bleeding terrible analogy and I really wish people would stop using it.


I'm sorry, but I think that I totally disagree with this. Whenever I buy a product, be it a car, TV, Computer, game, etc., I am looking to get the best value for my money or the best product that my money can buy. If a company comes forth into the market or a current company launches a new product, I will compare it to what is generally available. When Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. attempted to enter the US market, they did not offer a car that outdid the model T. The put forth cars that could compete with the then current Fords, GM offerings, etc. They got market share and became sucessful because many people concluded that they were superior quality, with all of the currently available features, and at a better price point.

Whether swtor is superior to a game at lunch in 2004, is a moot point and I will let people argue and compare. I am buying and playing swtor in 2012 and hence the comparison to what exists in the market in 2012 is the only one that has weight to me.

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Dantragk
01.26.2012 , 10:24 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Chrismilk View Post
I'm really enjoying the game so far.

The storyline and crafting system is amazing.
Sarcastic meter just broke. Thank you sir.

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ChipHazard
01.26.2012 , 10:26 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Umbral View Post
Is a video game not a manufactured product that is sold to consumers? Am I missing something here?
Yeah you are. A video game isn't a car. So unless you want me to start comparing video games/cars to paper plates I suggest you try using proper analogies.

Quote: Originally Posted by asbalana View Post
I'm sorry, but I think that I totally disagree with this. Whenever I buy a product, be it a car, TV, Computer, game, etc., I am looking to get the best value for my money or the best product that my money can buy. If a company comes forth into the market or a current company launches a new product, I will compare it to what is generally available. When Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. attempted to enter the US market, they did not offer a car that outdid the model T. The put forth cars that could compete with the then current Fords, GM offerings, etc. They got market share and became sucessful because many people concluded that they were superior quality, with all of the currently available features, and at a better price point.

Whether swtor is superior to a game at lunch in 2004, is a moot point and I will let people argue and compare. I am buying and playing swtor in 2012 and hence the comparison to what exists in the market in 2012 is the only one that has weight to me.
Of course you're going to want the msot out of your money. However video games can be updated every so often with more content/features. Cars can't. Video games are written. Cars aren't. Stop using the bleeding analogy, it doesn't make any sense!

Are you playing WoW 2.0? No, you're playing SWTOR. I would hope that you actually bought the game because of the advertised features and not because you thought it was WoW 2.0. If you're not satisfied with the features/content/gameplay provided in SWTOR then fair enough.
It takes time to make features work with an engine, you can't just copy paste it from another game that uses a different engine.
If you want to play an mmorpg that has all the features that WoW has at this point in time, then I would suggest playing WoW since it has all the features you want. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for SWTOR to add in similar and different features in the future.
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nightprawler
01.26.2012 , 10:28 AM | #46
All I ever see when discussing mmo`s is some mmo vs some other mmo. It`s like a never ending comparison fetish. I enjoy swtor because I like the story and gameplay as it is and having a great time for now...

Some like a game that makes them feel something, be it anger, remorse or even mindless violence(battlefield 3). Some like a game because its graphical pleasing ....
It is all a matter of personal choice and people are different. Yes! I am stating the obvious!

What I would really like to see is something that is innovative, something that redefines mmo`s. Something new I haven`t seen before....maybe a game that ties the mmo population to somekind of plot, engaging the realm to make a difference for the outcome of things. Be it planets, lands, factions...as long as it is refreshing and new with mechanics that make people want to cooperate and makes it easy to do so, I` d say you pretty much have nailed the core of what many mmo players want. What kind of game do you want?

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Taekoma
01.26.2012 , 10:47 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Torenator View Post
I played WoW since it's release. I don't play anymore, but I still think it was and is a GREAT game. The simple truth is I just don't have the time in my life for two MMOs.

WoW is the only other MMO I played, so I wouldn't say I'm a hardcore mmoer or anything. But having played since release I remember what it was like when it came out. MUCH different than it is now.

At release, wow had no:
Warzones (battlegrounds)
Open world pvp
Valor (honor)
LFG system
Cross-server anything
Faction balance (still doesn't really)
UI customization
Quest objective help
Chat bubbles
...and numerous other things that would now be considered standard.

Now SWTOR has released with many of those things, along with FAR greater stability. Was it released with all of them? No, but only within the Blizzard development team is it known for sure whether some of those things were an actual improvement or not. There were droves of people crying for NO LFG system prior to launch because it "damaged the community" or some such thing. Now those folks have fallen conspicuously silent, and droves are crying for a system.

Bioware is not privvy to all of Blizzards trade secrets. It's their first delve into the genre, and it has gone WAY better than Blizzards. Just like Blizzard did, Bioware will constantly improve upon the game. I'm confident we'll see a LFG system (a better one) before long. This dev team will learn its own trade secrets, and eventually polish out all the bugs/imbalances that are present.

The bottom line is this game in its release state is head and shoulders above what WoW was in its release state. I can't wait too see what they can do with it with a couple years of iterative improvements, as the other game had.

It's already pretty awesome, and it can only get better.
This game is not competing with the release version of WoW......it is competing with the current version and is total fail right now. They do not listen to feedback, do not give real honest updates. I can hear Yoda say "The Fail is strong with this one" when discussing SWTOR.

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ChicksDigHarleys
01.26.2012 , 10:48 AM | #48
RE: Thread title. No it won't.

I like the game a lot, but I'm a realist.
You are playing a frickin video game.
You are not hardcore by any reasonable definition.

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asbalana
01.26.2012 , 10:50 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Spynnal View Post
I'm fence sitting on my opinion of the game, but I see this argument a lot.

My question to this is, what wonderfully enjoyable MMO's are people playing today that SW:TOR needs to be better than?

I mean, I get WoW had the competition beat on release, but what is SW:TOR even competing with? What is this market it is up against, because frankly, I think MMO's are pretty stale currently.

Personally, I think the MMO market is struggling, and lacks many decent enjoyable titles, but from this argument coming up again and again, I feel like folks must be playing MMO's I've never heard of.
I am sorry to post twice in a row, but the above really hit me. Others may disagee, but to me this nails it.

I thinkt that, so far, swtor has been fun to play and that is the key to me. But I go back and forth. Some days I play and feel that there is a lot that I like and others I feel meh - nice try but BW missed it big time. I appreciate the stability and hate the issues like ability delay (no where close to a complete fix if ever), seven million bugs, etc. If I step back and think about it, I come to the conclusion that many things were done well (and hence the positive feeling) and many things are lacking or were done poorly (hence the negitive reaction).

I think that the observation about lack of competition is spot on as well. At this point, although we can all name a number of mmos, there is no compelling game or real competion in existance. There are a few games with some good points and others that people like, but to me there is nothing out there that really does it for the vast majority of the mmo community. WOW is dropping subs so fast that it makes my head spin and many titles (while profitable) are just limping along and a large protion of those have gone free to play. Yet, just my opinion, I believe that there is a huge demand for mmos and a huge possible customer base. How many of us that currently subscribe to a game are looking at the Horizon and wondering what new titles will come with the hope that they will finally be the really good mmo?

I think that the market is stuggling as well. It may be generating profits to gaming companies, but it is no where close to whatit could be. Perhaps it is because it is just not possible to build an mmo that will capture people and provide a sustained high level of enjoyment for most. Perhaps (this is my believe) when you strip away all of the bull and hype and strutting, the devs and people who are building mmos simply do not have a clue and do not really understand what their protential customers want.

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PhoenixAscendere
01.26.2012 , 10:51 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by HavenAE View Post
No game blows up like WoW did. WoW is an anomaly and it would behoove people to understand this and stop comparing games to it, regardless if you think it works in favor of your point.
So very true. No game will ever come out again the way Wow did - just as PC quality saw a drastic improvement for the average consumer exactly when broadband internet became the standard in most homes.

It was really just a matter of being in the right time at the right place.
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