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How Important Are Key Bindings vs Point & Click?

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How Important Are Key Bindings vs Point & Click?

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MichaelSean
12.14.2011 , 05:17 PM | #1
Old dog here trying to learn a new trick.

For as long as I've been playing MMOs, I've been a point and clicker with regards to my primary powers. However, I've seen a few things online that have lead me to the conclusion that, while this works fine for PVE, for PVP play it's less than optimal. And I'm trying to up my game.

Since I just started playing TOR today, I thought what better time to try and relearn the way I've traditionally played? Only trouble is I'm having a hell of a time with it. I understand the theory that, the fewer the mouse clicks, and the more one does with their keyboard, the more mobility one has. And in PVP mobility = survivability.

That said, I find that when I try to use the 1-8 keys for my main powers, rather than my traditional point and click method, I'm more rooted than ever because I keep having to move my left hand all over the place. With my point and click method, my left hand is freed up to keep me more in constant motion. So it's having the opposite effect of what I intended.

I'm sure part of it is that I need more practice but, I'm curious, are hot keys THE definitive way to PVP or is point and click with the mouse viable? Thanks.

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Nathan_ss
12.14.2011 , 05:25 PM | #2
Once you get the hang of mouse turning its so smooth u will wonder how u ever clicked. If 7 or 8 are 2 far to get ur fingers 2 try using some keys closer, or key a game pad, my keyboard has a gamepad on the side with 42 buttons, only game i had everyone bound on was Age of Conan. If u have regular keyboard use Q,E,R,T,F,G,C,V,X,Z,SHIFT,CAPS,CTRL. You can also get a mouse with buttons.

Remeber best way for melee to keep on target when strafing around someone is to keep a finger on A or D at all times depending on which direction you are strafing in.
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MichaelSean
12.14.2011 , 05:30 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Nathan_ss View Post
Once you get the hang of mouse turning its so smooth u will wonder how u ever clicked. If 7 or 8 are 2 far to get ur fingers 2 try using some keys closer, or key a game pad, my keyboard has a gamepad on the side with 42 buttons, only game i had everyone bound on was Age of Conan. If u have regular keyboard use Q,E,R,T,F,G,C,V,X,Z,SHIFT,CAPS,CTRL. You can also get a mouse with buttons.

Remeber best way for melee to keep on target when strafing around someone is to keep a finger on A or D at all times depending on which direction you are strafing in.
I'm sorry, what do you mean by "mouse turning?" Are you talking about using A and D to strafe and using the mouse to circle the enemy?

And, I'm curious, do you shift strategies back and forth between PVE and PVP or do you strafe and turn in PVE, too?

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Volkkor
12.14.2011 , 05:30 PM | #4
You have to change your bindings. Any keys that you have to move your hand for, don't use. Like I can only reach to the 5 key comfortably so I don't bind anything past that, unless its something fairly arbitrary. I typically use `12345zxcvbntrfgh and have shift and ctrl alterations of them. I also have about 17+ binds I use on my mouse including shift and ctrl alterations and have several arbitrary things like buffs/mounts bound to the num pad. I typically use f1 and f2 for potions as well.

Then use things like yiouklm up/down/right/left arrows for things like maps/currency/friends/warzones and other panes of the sort. It takes awhile to switch from being a clicker to a binder but it pays off a ton in the end. The first 3-4 years I played wow I was a clicker but found my self to be far more efficient when I started binding everything. Now I'm at a point where I couldn't click if I wanted to.
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xBuzz
12.14.2011 , 05:31 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by MichaelSean View Post
Old dog here trying to learn a new trick.

For as long as I've been playing MMOs, I've been a point and clicker with regards to my primary powers. However, I've seen a few things online that have lead me to the conclusion that, while this works fine for PVE, for PVP play it's less than optimal. And I'm trying to up my game.

Since I just started playing TOR today, I thought what better time to try and relearn the way I've traditionally played? Only trouble is I'm having a hell of a time with it. I understand the theory that, the fewer the mouse clicks, and the more one does with their keyboard, the more mobility one has. And in PVP mobility = survivability.

That said, I find that when I try to use the 1-8 keys for my main powers, rather than my traditional point and click method, I'm more rooted than ever because I keep having to move my left hand all over the place. With my point and click method, my left hand is freed up to keep me more in constant motion. So it's having the opposite effect of what I intended.

I'm sure part of it is that I need more practice but, I'm curious, are hot keys THE definitive way to PVP or is point and click with the mouse viable? Thanks.
It's not too common, but I do it the opposite to most people.

For my most common keys, interrupt etc, I use E, Q, R, F, C, X, Z and shift/ctrl variations and for longer cooldowns, trinkets, defensives etc, I use 1, 2, 3, 4 maybe 5, with shift variations.

I find the letter keys are quicker for me to strike than the number keys, and give me better mobility over my charachter.

The advantages to using any key bindings are reaction times. Using your mouse to click skills, it takes alot of time to move from the centre of the screen to click the button. Your latency might be 50ms, but with mouse clicking you're effectively increasing it to 300-400+ and that's if you're fast at mouse clicking. When you're trying to interrupt and play against good players using crutch skills, that doesn't cut it, you need the fastest reaction time.

Like anything, it takes practice. After a couple of weeks doing this, you will wonder how you ever did without it.

Since SWTOR is new, it's the best time to learn, since you have from 1-50 to learn just by leveling, when you get to 50 it will be second nature. The brain has to do things around 1500 times to commit it to muscle memory, then you can use them without thinking.
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Volkkor
12.14.2011 , 05:32 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by MichaelSean View Post
I'm sorry, what do you mean by "mouse turning?"
Holding left click to view your surroundings, and holding right click to turn your character as opposed to a or d
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Dystopic
12.14.2011 , 05:32 PM | #7
It makes a huge difference. There are some things you simply can't do while keyboard turning or are very difficult while clicking. Position reqs are difficult very hard, you turn slower and with less precision. Ever play wow? Lot's of classes there use the "jump shot". jump, spin around in the air, hit hotkey, turn around and keep running.

It won't be hard to learn mouse+keybinds though. Just start out using them and as you level you'll get better.

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Nathan_ss
12.14.2011 , 05:35 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by MichaelSean View Post
I'm sorry, what do you mean by "mouse turning?" Are you talking about using A and D to strafe and using the mouse to circle the enemy?

And, I'm curious, do you shift strategies back and forth between PVE and PVP or do you strafe and turn in PVE, too?
I mouse turn in everything, doing it in pve just on regular mobs helps build skill when you are starting out, but once you are used to it then u wont click again, its just natural.

When i say mouse turn i mean hold down either both mouse buttons and a or d, or just hold down right click and a or d for a tighter turn.
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MichaelSean
12.14.2011 , 05:37 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Nathan_ss View Post
I mouse turn in everything, doing it in pve just on regular mobs helps build skill when you are starting out, but once you are used to it then u wont click again, its just natural.

When i say mouse turn i mean hold down either both mouse buttons and a or d, or just hold down right click and a or d for a tighter turn.
Thanks! Looks like I need a little (well, more than a little) practice.

But when you're doing a group PVE mission, they don't mind you running around in circles?

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Cameirus
12.14.2011 , 05:37 PM | #10
if you can win clicking, then who cares?