This game will be HIGHLY successful!

Probably not. Then again cars don't have anything in common with video games.
It's a bleeding terrible analogy and I really wish people would stop using it.

Aye WoW isn't a game anymore. It stopped being a game when it turned into a social event. It's now part of modern culture. Obviously I don't mean this literally.

I agree, but I agree that people need to stop comparing any game to WoW period.


But also stop making ridiculous analogies that have absolutely zero bearing on the MMO market.

This game has an excellent frame and really now just needs consumer support to thrive. It's headed in the right direction.

I'm sure they are but I'm also sure their current subscriber base is below their initial expectations. Successful, yes. Highly so? Possibly not.

While it's fair to say that Blizzard have had years to iterate and get to where they are it's also not really fair to compare a 2004 launch to a 2011 one. Some things (amount of endgame content, for example) I agree Bioware should be given more time on. Other things though, like a simple global LFG listing tool (think WoW TBC, not the post-3.3 tool) should really be an out-of-the-box feature by this point.

I'm fence sitting on my opinion of the game, but I see this argument a lot.

My question to this is, what wonderfully enjoyable MMO's are people playing today that SW:TOR needs to be better than?

I mean, I get WoW had the competition beat on release, but what is SW:TOR even competing with? What is this market it is up against, because frankly, I think MMO's are pretty stale currently.

Personally, I think the MMO market is struggling, and lacks many decent enjoyable titles, but from this argument coming up again and again, I feel like folks must be playing MMO's I've never heard of.

Agreed.

Why should developers bother making any more new MMOs if all anyone is going to do is point out how WoW is so much better than the new one is at launch? I mean if WoW has it all shouldn't we just go play WoW? WoW's had about 10 years or more (pre and post launch) of development, it's going to have more by default. Comparing a new MMO to WoW current is just as asinine as saying "Well In 2004 WoW didn't have this."

In short, both stances are pointless.

Why? It's perfectly natural to compare products and experiences to others. It's how we ultimately make informed decisions. I agree that sometimes people are a bit unfair in their expectations but if WoW raised the bar on certain functionality then that bar exists, like it or not. SWTOR wasn't born in a vacuum - to claim people shouldn't make comparisons does nothing but stifle the ability for this game to meet that raised bar and fulfil those expectations.

The funny thing is, people saying 'don't compare this to WoW/Rift was a flop' are comparing Rift to WoW.

On it's own merits, Rift is not a flop. It only looks that way when you compare it to WoW's presence in the market.

WoW had UI customization and mods at release.
Seriously if you people who get your information from a wiki want to seem credible then this is one fact you need to get right. So many incorrectly spout this one off.

The open world PvP was there too, what they did not have were rewards for doing so. But no PvPer worth his salt needs a reward for doing what he loves...

This game is a ton of fun to play. That's all that really matters.