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Barathos
01.26.2012 , 09:25 AM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Its called attention gathering and self satisfaction.
Some people need to justify their choice to play WoW (or whatever) and they post it here.

Appearing to be on the "cutting edge" of criticism is all these people have. You know the type I am talking about.

If people want to play a different game, thats awesome! Good on them but to go post why you aren't playing this game, on this forum is simple attention getting.
Wait... What are YOU doing, then? Protecting a company's product? They hardly need YOU to do that.

Attention seeking defender, yes, I believe I will call you that.

And you, like so many others before you, are ignorant. Why are you ignorant? Because if you STOP subscribing they will ASK you to POST on the FORUMS about WHY you QUIT.

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Stejo
01.26.2012 , 09:27 AM | #152
Quote: Originally Posted by BobTheTeepo View Post
You're not level 50, are you? Not many people have cleared both nightmare OPS 5 times. Additionally, you keep saying, "literally nothing to do at 50" which is LITERALLY false. There is LITERALLY a lot of things to do at 50 and I gave a list.
I'm not sure what else I can tell you. I was in the early access, hit 50 on my first char 7-10 days after launch and 2 weeks afterwards I already got everything that could possibly motivate me to keep playing it. Same goes for pretty much all the people I used to play with. There is *literally* nothing for me to do at endgame with that character anymore.

So I started a second character. There is no choice of path as to how to level him. I follow the same planets, do the same quests that I just did a couple weeks ago, hear the same dialog, pick the same inconsequential responses. It's a neverending deja vu that no amount of awesome class quest storytelling can convince me to endure.

I'll give you one thing though, I don't pvp. So I suppose if you're the kind that likes pvping, there is always something to do in any online game. I won't go into class/faction balance issues about that since I only know what I read and don't have first hand experience on the matter.

In any case, if you find the endgame rich and engaging, go and play it. Don't let anyone's opinion tell you otherwise. I don't, so I quit.

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Listerman
01.26.2012 , 09:28 AM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by Barathos View Post
Wait... What are YOU doing, then? Protecting a company's product? They hardly need YOU to do that.

Attention seeking defender, yes, I believe I will call you that.

And you, like so many others before you, are ignorant. Why are you ignorant? Because if you STOP subscribing they will ASK you to POST on the FORUMS about WHY you QUIT.
So we're all attention gatherers in one way or another.
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Rasputaan
01.26.2012 , 09:28 AM | #154
umm tl;dr

I hate questing or killing enemy npc's to level.

I am going to make stuff up to prove my point.


Seriously man, no game ANYWHERE has any diffrent quests. Kill this, collect that, push this go here. The fetch, collect, chat quests are the same in every game. Perhaps YOU should invent something else.

I noticed all you did was gripe about how the game designers are bad and didn't offer even one better idea. That's, interesting.

You said WoW had all this content in 2004 then proceed to give examples from 2008 and beyond. NICE! (the "parachute" example is straight from WoLK)

Perhaps gaming isn't the hobby you are looking for. Move along.
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Leatherbeak
01.26.2012 , 09:28 AM | #155
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!


Wall of text is too much for my lack of sleep addled brain. Too tired from staying up PLAYING!


TL;DR: I dont care why you aren't playing. Why do you think anyone does?

Bye-bye
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.

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harkain
01.26.2012 , 09:29 AM | #156
this is not politics there is no need to persuade anyone, dont like it ? leave, like it ? play

people carrying grudges like someone banged their sister is pathetic.
Die you must
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RycheMykola
01.26.2012 , 09:31 AM | #157
Quote: Originally Posted by Maniacal View Post
If they lock or delete this, which you KNOW they will, I beg you to re-post it. This is perhaps the most informative, spot-on and HONEST opinion piece about SWTOR I have seen thus far.

Not only do you provide bullet points on everything I, myself would also point out as serious flaws but you give REASONS for them as well. Reasons that only the most ignorant and die-hard fanboy could deny.

So kudos to you sir / madam for saying what so many of us wish we had the eloquence to say.
How is his post spot on, the dude said there are dialog choices in WOW. What dialog choices???? "Accept" or "Decline" when reading a quest are NOT dialog choices.
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Heck, WoW even had dialogue options!
Personally, I think he watched youtube videos on SWTOR and WOW and made a post.

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Barathos
01.26.2012 , 09:32 AM | #158
Quote: Originally Posted by Listerman View Post
So we're all attention gatherers in one way or another.
Hehe essentially.

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BobTheTeepo
01.26.2012 , 09:32 AM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by LogicalPremise View Post
I *really* don't want to turn what is already a wall of text into the Great Wall of China, but part of your "analysis" of the OP's review just got under my skin.
lol

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I think we can all agree on three things:

1) If you pay the sub and play the game you have a right to your opinions
Agreed, I never said otherwise.
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2) Regardless of what Bioware intended, the game ended up attracting a lot of people who were expecting something more like WoW, EQ, or SWG.
Agreed, same with above.
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3) Screaming that the game is about "story" is not going to keep people subscribed if the rest of the game puts them off.
Never said otherwise. We're in total agreement it seems, my review never stated that story is important even.



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No, first off -- the title of the thread is "Why I am not playing". And it was posted as an Amazon review. Now, for me, when I see reviews, I see two kinds:

Reviews written by people who get paid to write them, where I expect objectivity
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Review written by people who used a product , where I expect their biased opinion.
Ah yes, but the latter form of a review is not a GOOD review. Not for the forums, and definitely not for Amazon when it essentially screams at people, "do not buy" when the customer should make that choice -- not the reviewer. Being objective lets the customer decide, so while he has the right to do a review like this, that does not mean that HE IS RIGHT to do a review like this.

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People who read this post will either agree or disagree with this person's biases. Demanding objectivity from reviews is particularly disingenious, since many positive reviews of the game don't appear to have even a shred of objectivity, glossing over bugs, connection issues, known issues with PvP, balance, and the like as not important because "OMG story!".
I never demanded it, like I said my OP "Going to be typing above each quote when I feel you were being TOO subjective, or inaccurate and that sort of thing.". This means that I'm going to ignore things that are subjective, as long as they don't convey incorrect or commonly disagreed with opinions. He can have his opinion all he wants, but I'm going to try to make sure people know the TRUTH, not what some guy thinks. The world would be a much better place if everyone could be objective, I demanded that anyone be objective, I merely stated that everyone SHOULD be objective.

You're setting up a straw-man here, no offense. I never held the view of the "omg story" thing, you're assigning a position to me that I do not hold. It's a good aspect of the game, which the OP literally said that it was BAD, it's subjective to an extent, but MOST people disagree with him.


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No, but having completed an Sorc to 47 and a Trooper to 50, it does sum up almost 95% of the quests in the game. The cinematics are certainly important , I agree. But the ugly truth is that many of the quests have a cinematic opening that means nothing, and too many of them depend on a bonus of "go kill x things" or "go click x things".

The game is touted as innovative. Quest design has not been innovated much except for some very minor branching in a small handful of quests, and much of that is "go kill x or go click x" branching. There are some interesting and creative quests in the mix, but unfortunately there are also FAR too many standard ones to dismiss this point as inaccurate.
Agreed, I agree entirely with the point that the game did too little to innovate quests. I don't know how they could have done anything different, it would have been nice, but can you really come up with anything that is realistic? I certainly can't.


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Actually, you are completely incorrect.

ALL of the space quests have a basic version and an upgraded version. They are functionally identical. They utilize the same maps, the same routes, and the only difference is enemy difficulty. Ezran Outpost IS Cartel Listening Station.
He said they were the exact same (taking the station for example), which they ARE NOT. They use the same setting, but the have different ships at different times, and sometimes take different routes. They reuse the setting and a lot of the same thing, but they are not the EXACT same to my knowledge.


*snickers*

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So which is it, Bob? Is this the most innovative, creative and industry leading MMO on the market, or is it just another average MMO?

If no one gets it by now, you cannot swagger about claiming to be the next evolution in MMO's and win best MMO awards on the one hand , but demand never to be compared to the actual industry leader on the other hand.
I don't know Logical bro, I never said it was the most innovative, creative, and industry leading MMO on the market. I'm reserving judgment until it's reasonable to state whether or not it's top quality or not ^^.

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No one is going to wait seven years for SWTOR to polish itself to the level WoW has if the gameplay and experiences bores and/or frustrates them. For the people that are happy with the game , that's not an issue -- but you're going to lose a lot of people in that time frame by taking this ridiculous position that the game should be immune from comparative criticism , even after a seven year development, simply because it's new.
First off, it being Star Wars will carry it for a while. It being new will also carry it for a while. The Devs are spitting out content faster than pretty much all games out there have in the past, which will help contribute to players staying/returning, and if they continue to fix bugs and tweak balances, we could easily be in good shape to compete with WoW.

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I'm sorry, but what you just stated is a lie. Please read this official response link. They've basically stated "we're not putting them in, even though they were in beta and people didn't have a problem with them" and they are dancing around the issue.
I read the official response when it came out, so LogicalPremise, I ask you to please show HOW I was lying or incorrect.

"The Hi-Res textures will likely be implemented in the future" Does not mean they WILL be, just that I find it LIKELY, purely subjective and it is not a lie. So please demonstrate how I'm lying to back up the claim :P.

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I don't mind you taking apart someone's opinion-laced screed when they start making stuff up, but you shouldn't do the same yourself. It makes one look unobjective.
I did not, so we're good then .


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This should tell you something.

Now, you can walk away thinking "the OP is being a troll" or "the OP doens't get it" or, as one person hilariously claims, everyone who dislikes the game is brainwashed by WoW.

For me, the reality is that Bioware attracted a lot of people to this game for which their current offering is simply not cutting it. The "30 days free" trolls are all gone, yet the forums are still flooded with "I quit" posts, people bringing up issues, bugs, etc.
Good thing I never said that every troll would be gone in 30 days, or that I think that the OP is a troll.

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Clinging repeatedly to the mantra that "it will get fixed in time" only applies to the bugs. Some of the core design issues (incompetent OPVP design, a literally broken system of raid bosses that not only reset themselves regularly but one who can actually kill you outside the EV, laughable GTN, hilarious RNG stupidity on bags, literally non-functional UI that does zip but looks very pretty, etc) are what drives people up the wall.
The GTN is fixable, as is the UI, just saying. So, again, I never said any of those things.

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Granted, splattering one's opinion all over the forums and then having the gall to say "don't buy the game" is gauche and borderline trolling, and I really don't mind you smacking this guy around. But some of the issues he raises are real ones, and I think everyone is so wishing the game would succeed that real concerns are getting tossed out as trolling along with the QQ.
I'll agree that he has some good points, that's why you'll notice I give him credit for making good points by stating his opinions were "objective" at multiple points. As someone with 2 levels 50s and a 3x, I'm someone who (unlike the OP) is qualified to post on these topics. He spreads much misinformation, he stops players from playing the game I love based on subjective opinions that most people disagree with, and flat out misleading them, then to make sure they don't play, he tells them not to buy it.

I'm sorry if I sounded a bit rude in this post, it was not intended. Just saying, a couple of times you said I was wrong or lying, I wasn't (except MAYBE on the space issue, it always seemed to me they had different ships in different places, but I could be wrong on that) :P.
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Raailan
01.26.2012 , 09:33 AM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by Leatherbeak View Post
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!


Wall of text is too much for my lack of sleep addled brain. Too tired from staying up PLAYING!


TL;DR: I dont care why you aren't playing. Why do you think anyone does?

Bye-bye

This. I logged on here after playing for...about 12 hours (public holiday). What am I greeted with? Yet another self-absorbed 'critic' who thinks they speak for people other than themselves and attempts to influence others by posting said 'review' on Amazon.

Personally, I read all these 'quitting' posts in the voice of the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. Feels right somehow.