No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

I don't have to agree with your more socialist perspective, though it's at least beneficial that you're honest about it. I don't believe in collective ownership, and I don't think the game supports that paradigm. An item is not actually owned until it's in someone's inventory, and it only goes into their inventory once they win a roll on it. The party collectively downed a boss. At that point, they're each individually rolling on the item for their own personal purposes. They each individually want the item. Unless they're in a guild together (in which case loot contentions like this frequently don't arise to begin with), the upgrade only benefits that group until they disband, at which point it's a benefit solely to its owner. As a result, it's largely pointless to use group benefit as a hammer by which to discourage fulfilling one's own interests at the expense of consideration for the collective.

Your earlier analyses of utilitarian benefit applied across a group is inexact due to the dispersed nature of said groups, even once people start collapsing on one another again in endgame. True benefit applies only to the individual in this case, and motives aren't in question: people are there to upgrade their characters, and they participate in collective effort to have an opportunity at a higher quality of personal upgrades. They don't roll to disburse amongst the group, they roll to acquire a personal upgrade.

I can't disabuse you of any views you hold to the contrary, I can only point to my own perspective on this with any real authority and sovereignty. It isn't crucial to my "survival", I'm a realist in what's actually happening vs. an idealist appealing to what I hope will happen. Groups cooperate so each individual has a shot at individual upgrades, since not enough gear is disbursed in a given bit of group content for each person to have a guarantee of walking out with an upgrade. This is why people are largely expected to run the same content multiple times until they reach the point where, in their own consideration, the effort is no longer commensurate with their rewards, at which point they move on. This is intentional on BioWare's part, as people running content repeatedly improves the chances of ongoing subscription.

lol you don't think things are built by the community in real life.

Yes I'm playing a video game, and I likely contributed as much to the success of the mission, thus I'm due same as anyone else. It's not that big a deal in the long run. It is after all simply pixels.

Yeah, because expecting random kids on the interwebs to be decent to one another "just because" is ludicrous.

Honestly, it's sad, but I really Hope Bioware just gets rid of dungeon loot all together in the future and just drops a loot bag per boss for each participant with a random item that you or your companion could use. Heck, they could even make Orange items tradeable for the people present in case the Trooper and Guardian want to switch.

On that i completely agree, i wont get angry over some colored pixels

We are just discussing different opinions, thats what forums are for, right?

That's what I'm doing some people want to make some moral judgment or other over loot in a video game. LOL they're gonna black list people and put it on your permanent record, go to your guild leader. Lots of drama over nothing but it's entertaining watching them get worked up.

this is really more of a rule that the group should decide ..

but who cares cause

WHATEVA I DO WHAT I WANT

Whilst I disagree due to my perspective on collective effort rendering items within the realm of collective values/ownership and regard the utility as on-going beyond the dispersal of the group, I can certainly appreciate your perspective and respect it. As to the comment on repeatedly running content, I think Bioware would rapidly change the system if people did begin rolling Need on every item due to the personal benefits such confers (even the tiny fraction of credit value helps you buy items from the GTN, after all). If they had intended that to start with then I imagine they'd allocate items equally to everyone irrespective of class or need, it would procedurally fair rather than substantively fair. There would be no options, hence why I take what you label a 'socialist' approach. Anyway, take care.

If I'm able to stab you in the eye with a pencil, then I'm allowed to do it.

This is the best rational for this side of the argument I've read to date across all threads on this topic.

While I still lean towards the side of "need" for the character, not the companion or the looks, after reading this argument I doubt I'll get upset over the issue any more. In fact, I may even consider rolling "need" for my companion or looks in the future.