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Ransak_The_Elder
01.25.2012 , 02:29 PM | #31
Dropping my sorc for a tracer spammer... shorter cast times, higher survivability and comparable damage. Whats the downside to a tracer spammer? None.

Its much harder to get standard abilities off as a sorc/sage through the lag and hundreds of LOS problems. Why play a glass canon when there is one made of steel.

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Vlaid
01.25.2012 , 02:31 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Lazorous View Post
I'd have to agree. I believe that is the Trooper's Assault spec, which I found a lot more utility with mobility. And the procs, are incredible bursts. You can shut down a grav spamming trooper, but an Assault spec trooper on the run is crazy deadly. And I should know, I'm top of the boards on my team on just about every warzone, using Assault spec.

I think it's just easier to identify someone dying from tracer spamming than from an Assault Plastique + HIB + Stock Strike + HIB combo.
The thing that's annoying about assault is that you pretty much just bend over anytime a melee wants to stick to you. A single 25 second cd knockback is your only "main" way of creating any distance other than cryo/mez.
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Organikal
01.25.2012 , 02:37 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Ransak_The_Elder View Post
Dropping my sorc for a tracer spammer... shorter cast times, higher survivability and comparable damage. Whats the downside to a tracer spammer? None.

Its much harder to get standard abilities off as a sorc/sage through the lag and hundreds of LOS problems. Why play a glass canon when there is one made of steel.
lol survivability... if this is one of the main reasons of choosing merc/commando you will be sorely disappointed.

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Endlessday
01.25.2012 , 02:42 PM | #34
Alright, I did PvP for the first time today on my BH and after reading how Tracer Missile is so OP I try'd the whole Trace Missile spam thing to see if I would really dominate the Warzone just spamming 1 ability. My results were not good, at most my Tracer Missile did 2k non crit and after 2 missiles I got LoS and was unable to do anything. On top of that it took easily 10+ missiles to kill someone JUST using Tracer Missile and no one and I mean absolutely no one let me hit them with more then 3-4 missils. Needless to say I did awful, anyone with any awareness can LoS tracer Missile after the second cast, Stun + Tracer missile only netted me 2 extra missiles which was not nearly enough to kill anyone. And don't get me started on melee range, the second someone got into melee range there was no way in hell tracer missile would kill them faster then they could kill me. So from experience with trying out this "OP" strategy I think this is a whole lot of learn to play issue and someone just needs to call these people a Wambulance, because at no point was I able to kill someone with JUST Tracer Missile spam and I kept trying thinking maybe I was going about it the wrong way or something but no it did not work as people keep crying about at all. Maybe people on my server are just smarter? Who knows, all I know is that its not an insta-win ability by any means.

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Killomend
01.25.2012 , 02:43 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by lucasomega View Post
Getting owned by mercs?

Get better?
Someone plays the one button wonder class

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Killomend
01.25.2012 , 02:44 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaid View Post
The thing that's annoying about assault is that you pretty much just bend over anytime a melee wants to stick to you..
That's hawt.

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Renlotho
01.25.2012 , 03:02 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Anduiin View Post
baddies be bad, nobody knows what line of sight even is. Stand in the open and QQ that youre getting smashed by a castable or channeled attack. Oh Im taking damage, someone blame the other class.
I know how to los of sight and use it whenever possible. However when there are three Mercs spamming this from multiple angles I can choose to A) LOS and be worthless due to avoiding triangulation of fire or B) hammer and interrupt one taking two tracers to the rear end. I'm wanting to see this notorious Tracer Missile only BH video where he wins WZ and tops damage charts. L2P is said by people exclusively sporting BH/Trooper avatars coincidence? I think not, maybe Ya'll need to l2p and play a class that isn't a faceroll class wearing heavy armor, with range and self heals eg ANY other class. If you're so leet roll a sorc who wears light armor or better yet if you have man parts, roll a sent like I have. Then you will understand skill being required to get high damage and kills. I have excellent commando's in my guild but most spam grav round like noobs and are easily the most face roll class in the game.

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Renlotho
01.25.2012 , 03:12 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Endlessday View Post
Alright, I did PvP for the first time today on my BH and after reading how Tracer Missile is so OP I try'd the whole Trace Missile spam thing to see if I would really dominate the Warzone just spamming 1 ability. My results were not good, at most my Tracer Missile did 2k non crit and after 2 missiles I got LoS and was unable to do anything. On top of that it took easily 10+ missiles to kill someone JUST using Tracer Missile and no one and I mean absolutely no one let me hit them with more then 3-4 missils. Needless to say I did awful, anyone with any awareness can LoS tracer Missile after the second cast, Stun + Tracer missile only netted me 2 extra missiles which was not nearly enough to kill anyone. And don't get me started on melee range, the second someone got into melee range there was no way in hell tracer missile would kill them faster then they could kill me. So from experience with trying out this "OP" strategy I think this is a whole lot of learn to play issue and someone just needs to call these people a Wambulance, because at no point was I able to kill someone with JUST Tracer Missile spam and I kept trying thinking maybe I was going about it the wrong way or something but no it did not work as people keep crying about at all. Maybe people on my server are just smarter? Who knows, all I know is that its not an insta-win ability by any means.
Your gear must be garbage. Every single WZ I go in my guild mates hit 4500 crits EVERY WZ, not some, EVERY WZ. Of course they are geared and know how to play their class very, very well. Pick up some gear, get your adrenals and trinkets and watch yourself fly to the top of the damage charts. Also when someone los you, pick a new target. Its ever so much easier then melee in lag with aoe knocback slows and roots (which only the knockback effects the BH) where you are required to stay on target to get damage instead of auto target lock and hit 1 button. I'm not saying nerf commandos/BH I AM saying they are the easiest class to play.

Heavy armor + Range + DPS + hard CC + AOE Knockback w/slow + Self heals = easy cheesy.

Sent by comparison = Medium armor, 1 soft aoe MEZ, 0 knock backs, garbage heals off of crit burns (for 250ish health), melee range (4m), 1 six second stun that stuns you as well. We have to use so many keybinds to be competitive its redonkulous. Yes we have some utility in the form of group buffs and VERY minor group heals, but when it comes to skill required to play its a far, FAR cry from heavy armor wearing, ranged, self healing folks.

I usually own Mercs (not Powertechs) because I trait for max interrupts and burn damage, but a good one just wears me down. Every wz I'm in with a Commando they are always 1st or 2nd in damage unless there are more than one amazing dps sages or gunslingers.

For whatever reason my server has tons of good commandos and not that many good mercs, but the commandos show how extremely powerful the class is. I'm NOT calling for a nerf, but I am saying these L2P comments from Mercs and Commandos are LAUGHABLE!

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Noollig
01.25.2012 , 03:51 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Renlotho View Post
I know how to los of sight and use it whenever possible. However when there are three Mercs spamming this from multiple angles I can choose to A) LOS and be worthless due to avoiding triangulation of fire or B) hammer and interrupt one taking two tracers to the rear end. I'm wanting to see this notorious Tracer Missile only BH video where he wins WZ and tops damage charts.
If three of any class are attacking you... you should be dying... even if they're healers. Three powertechs that rocket-punch you then railshot you would burn you down just as fast.

Arsenal mercs are forced to spam tracer missile because all of their skills in the tree revolve around it, you aren't seeing the instant cast rail shots and other crap that you're getting hit with, just the tracer cast bar. The big hits don't come until the 5 stacks of heat signature are on the target, then rail shot hits, and they follow up with heatseeker or unload.

I play a powertech. Interrupting the merc's cast pretty much gimps them. All the other abilities and their defensive procs can't activate, and there are plenty of interrupts that every other class gets. If they can't build those stacks on you, they're dead pretty quick since they also can't build up their power barrier.

Tracer missile spam is a weakness because they can't do anything without it. Seriously, has anyone looked at the merc arsenal tree before complaining?

PS: The video of the one-button tracer missile is rather disappointing. The video is old, and the BH is a 50 and the republic team has non-50s (some in the teens). He loses all his 1v1 fights, typically has a group with him that just overpowers the enemy, and they still end up losing the warzone. The funny thing is that most of the time he's just ignored and allowed to spam the tracer missile.

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Skapek-Skocap
01.25.2012 , 03:52 PM | #40
If you can't kill someone just using Tracer Missile, there is something severly wrong with you.
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