No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

Not sure if this was posted before but the whole thing would be alleviated if "May only NEED class specific gear" or something silimilar was an option in the Grouping Looting Rules defined by the leader

Ultimately, I'd have to say anything is permissible, IF you simply lay down the ground rules before the run.

It's not hard.

Companions, mods, item models. Just draw up a rule set and make it clear to the potential party. If you do that, then no one can complain. If you don't like the rules, form a party or find one with rules you like.

it wouldn't, you'd still have people pulling the exact same "but it's a bigger upgrade for me and I'm more important than him" garbage.

yeah, they have this wierd sense of entitlement and think that just because they want an item due to it's better stats it's somehow more important than the guy who wants the item for it looks.

But that's the thing. Yes this is an online community of people, no arguing that. Authority, no such thing. But you know what? He's right. There is NO Moral choice associated with the need or greed system. If there was there would be real negatives attached to it. This isn't a RL social gathering, and often times many of the "rules" that apply to a RL social situation do not apply in game. It's not the same, but similar, to the people who believe that they have free speech in game. They do not, they may have it in their country, but in game you follow the games rules.

And in the end, your morals do NOT trump someone elses. You may disagree with it, no issue there, but yours DO NOT take precedence over theirs.

I feel I understood your gun statement just fine and responded. I however will not claim you understood me the way I intended, since I cannot know that.

It's really very simple. People have different rules, so when forming a group, you should be setting rules for:

- Need for mods
- Need for companions

Someone needing for mods is getting no less of a benefit than someone needing for the full thing - the orange item is just a shell (technically speaking, you're both rolling for the mods; the only difference is that one of you doesn't have to put a few credits down first).

For my groups, I'd generally allow mods, and companions if the member(s) of the item's intended class aren't Needing it.

And the opposite is true, if no rules are agreed upon beforehand, there is no reason to complain. No rules were agreed upon so anything goes.

EDIT: Also forgot to respond to your response to me saying it's all about Entitlement. You feel that since it has stats for your class you have entitlement to it before anyone else. In this case I CAN say you didn't understand, because you have proven it with your statement. There are more than just the two sides. Those who feel you should only roll Need if it's for your immediate use as the item is, ie a sense of entitlement. Then you have the ones who feel they are entitled to roll for EVERYTHING to sell or use or whatnot, that's also entitlement. But the people we are talking about here, ARE rolling need for their use, not to sell, but to use for looks or a companion. And most have no problems yielding.

And that's the thing, the game rules allow this. There is no moral negative automatically attached to it like the RL analogy you provided earlier.

LOL OP , the moment he rolled on your item you should have simple /ignore him and leave or kick him from the group.

Im not as kind as you that wait till after and discuss things in general.

To be fair, you can find the same looks on most armor all over the place. In fact, it's kind of a problem with progression really, that could fill another thread. Those FP models are the same damn thing as the planet commendation armors. It's really annoying. Don't feel bad when you miss out on gear you think looks cool, trust me, you'll see again.

The real draw of FP loot is the mods, and the stats. The effort put in is, generally, to get the stats necessary to continue with FP's and hard modes. If you want those robes for looks, you're in luck, you'll be seeing those robes over and over with a little palette swapping, for a good 30 levels. You'll probably be sick of them, by end game.

Seriously, the level 50 armor I got on Corellia, is the same model I had 20-30 levels before, only grey.

If you want stuff for appearance, it's really easy to get it. Not to mention all of empty ones that drop and can be found on the market.

Appearance is important to me too. But I have to put that aside when in a raid.

I have no problem with someone rolling for appearance either, as long as no one else minds. I've rolled for appearance after making sure no one else needed it.

True, but I was refering specificallly to the OP's complaint of rolling Need on off-class gear. If two people are the same class in a group and that option was enabled when setting up the looting rules for the group, they could still both roll Need.

Having that looting rule option for the group lead would let the system enforce it and would make it clear to all members what kind of looting they are signing up for when they join. Or am I missing something?