No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

Ok, then it auto gives to whoever in the class doesn't already have it. My main point is that an auto system can easily be made for people that want to use it. Personally, i'm like you in the sense that I like to communicate with others in the group. However, I also feel that giving players choice is always a good policy, especially in this game. Orange gear, companions, etc. have really blurred the lines with gear rolling.

I liked Hellgate: London's loot mechanics.

If it was on your screen, then it belonged to you.

Yeah this is crossing the line.

Although it is sticky because I am okay with companion rolling which is an easy cover up.

At the end of the day it requires social engineering and this is a mark against cross server lfg/ dungeon finder. Playing with the same people and overlooting eventually leads to no groups.

I think it is a good idea to set up who is looting for what at the beginning that way if you disagree you can leave. If someone breaks the agreement than who is wrong is crystal clear.

The country I live in is designed to allow me many things, like owning a gun, doesn't mean I have to own one.

I'm sorry. If someone doesn't give a crap about the people who helped them get the gear they're choosing to take, for whatever reasons, then yes, you should be cast out.

Using the fact, that you can do something, as sole justification for doing so, is pathetic. It implies that you need a game mechanic to not make a dick move.

If I can put my party members before myself, despite the fact, that the game allows me to roll on anything, and have the courtesy to ask, if I want something purely for ulterior reasons besides gearing up, yeah for a brief, shining moment, I'm better than you.

That's kind of the point behind morals. Doing something you don't have to do, because you believe it is right.

Rule of Humanity nr. 67

When someone voices an opinion, no matter how illogical, stupid, wrong, defying logic or common sense, there will ALWAYS be people who will agree with it

And you're comparing the real world and a game. Both of which have different rules altogether. In the first you would find it rare among people to think it was ok to pee on someone. The second however, isn't the same. Winning a roll on an item that is useful to you in some way, and which you are allowed to roll need on, AND which no one in the group has entitlement to until it hits their inventory, being right or wrong is only an opinion and carries far less weight than the first example.

You can argue your moral choices and opinions all you like, that doesn't mean everyone HAS to follow or be considered wrong.

Lastly, Grief is like an opinion. You feel you were griefed, while another may not. Follow the rules set forth before the run(And if none, leave or deal with it), this has actually been a pretty common thing in MMOs that people agree on, rather than pushing your moral code on everyone else.

Thank you for illustrating why I do not PUG. For anything. Ever.

If you run pugs, this is going to happen. That's just the way it has gone. I'm with you in that it sucks, but there is no fixing it. We can either run with pugs and accept it, or stop running with pugs. I took the later option.

In other words, you're a selfish, self centered person, who is rationalizing your attitude in a game built on the virtues of cooperation and community.

You have a lot of excuses, and over the years, have become very adept at "turning it around" on those "high and mighty" people who were raised to show what is referred to most people as "common courtesy".

It's alien to you and you don't understand it, especially as it pertains to games, which are even easier to cover anti-social tendencies. So it's difficult for people who understand, to convince you.

Really? Are you missing the point that I'm talking about orange items that the person can use for looks or an item they can use for their companion? It's not because they just CAN, these people do it because in some fashion, it's an upgrade. Be it for them, for a companion, or for looks for either of those. In all 4 of those cases, it's useful to them. They're not doing it JUST because they can.

You're right, a right or allowance to do something doesn't mean you have to. But you know, to do so or not is YOUR choice. Because you don;t want to or choose not to own a gun, doesn't mean someone else should automatically feel the same. But the thing is, the option is there to allow it. Games in the past have clarified that it's not against the rules. You, and others with a similar mind however, feel that there is an entitlement somewhere, there isn't. You may not like or agree with how it works, that's fine. But you're not the end all be all of decisions.

And to note, I usually only roll need on things I will use directly. But I can 100% get behind why people roll for looks and companions without a second thought.

EDIT: Also, yes those people helped him get the item, but he also participated, and if he didn't, well that's a different story altogether. Sense of Entitlement is the issue here, but many cannot see it.