BW isn't getting the praise they deserve.

People are ridiculous. I've been a software developer for over 20 years, and a 1st release always has bugs, in 1986, 2004, and yes, in 2012.

bioware: please don't allow mods

when i played wow i spent way too much time installing and figuring out how to use these things, so i'd have an advantage. i don't want to do that anymore. I just want to play the game.

Its pretty amatuerish when you consider:

1. Budget

2. Relative competition(IGNORE WoW HERE FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT)

Other companies with less money and smaller teams seem to have done better. Hello Trion?

please unsub, and come back in 2012.

Something fishy about your 1st paragraph and your final one.

20 year software developer has problems installing mods my son can figure out? Yeah, nice try buddy.

FWIW this game WOULD be great in 6 years, but it won't hold subscribers long enough to get a decent budget to make it great. Bioware isn't going to pump money into a game with 50k subs.

You need glasses. But there you go judging one thing by comparing it to other things instead of evaluating the thing in itself.

If Trion did well with that product then that is wonderful, but reveals nothing at all about SWTOR.

You and some others appear to have a real problem evaluating any game in itself. The only thing you seem able to do is look everywhere else than what you should be focused on. Looking at Trion tells you only about Trion. It tells you nothing whatsoever about SWTOR.

You guys bought into the idea that SWTOR was WoW, utterly failed to notice the differences, and then <moves lamp> on the one hand declared SWTOR a WOW clone, on the other hand declared SWTOR failed to be WoW, and on the other hand actually played through to fifty as if it really were a WoW clone and then pronounced it a failure because it wasn't WoW.

It wasn't a WoW clone to begin with, hello? The problem is in you and those like you. You failed to adequately identify the game and then failed to adapt to your new environment. If it weren't a game you would be a member of an extinct specie, a fossilized remnant, a footprint in the stone.

The problem isn't Bioware, it is in your faith-based preconceptions that don't need no steenking facts.

The gameplay, ability design, talent design, themepark quest design, gear progression style, instance design, and much of the PvP design is very similar to WoW's from about five years ago. It's fair to make comparisons when things are similar.

...Acting as though nothing any other MMO dev team has done in the last 5 years is relevant to this game and its success is an ignorant faith-based preconception of how markets work, unless you think the only criterion this game should be judged on is "Can I play Star Wars online?"
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Few accountants optimize code. Nor bookkeepers.

You need glasses. But there you go judging one thing by comparing it to other things instead of evaluating the thing in itself.

If Trion did well with that product then that is wonderful, but reveals nothing at all about SWTOR.

You and some others appear to have a real problem evaluating any game in itself. The only thing you seem able to do is look everywhere else than what you should be focused on. Looking at Trion tells you only about Trion. It tells you nothing whatsoever about SWTOR.

You guys bought into the idea that SWTOR was WoW, utterly failed to notice the differences, and then <moves lamp> on the one hand declared SWTOR a WOW clone, on the other hand declared SWTOR failed to be WoW, and on the other hand actually played through to fifty as if it really were a WoW clone and then pronounced it a failure because it wasn't WoW.

It wasn't a WoW clone to begin with, hello? The problem is in you and those like you. You failed to adequately identify the game and then failed to adapt to your new environment. If it weren't a game you would be a member of an extinct specie, a fossilized remnant, a footprint in the stone.

The problem isn't Bioware, it is in your faith-based preconceptions that don't need no steenking facts.