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This game badly needs mods and macros.


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DaxRendar
01.25.2012 , 10:35 AM | #821
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
it. doesn't. make. the. game. easier. for. the. end. game. raiders.
Actually... it does

By your own admission, which is the more challenging experience:

Bossfight with Enrage Timer that pushes DPS/Threat Management to the limit:
(a) Recount/Omen running for near perfect Threat Management and real-time DPS Metrics?
(b) No addons requiring the same near perfect execution without little bars to tell you how you are doing?

Exact same fight. One is much easier than the other. Hmm... I wonder why that is?

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Raeln
01.25.2012 , 10:37 AM | #822
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
it. doesn't. make. the. game. easier. for. the. end. game. raiders.
Yes it does.

Trying to incorrectly use a dozen periods in your sentence to try to highlight your words does not make it so.

You use addons for convenience. Convenience is another word for "the act of making something easier".

Unless you are living in a world where 2+2 != 4, the very premise of addons is to make the game easier. Either addons make it easier by reducing the amount of concentration you need to invest (IE: telling when there is about to be fire that needs to be dodged) or by making it easier by rearranging data in an easier to read format (IE: rearranging your UI so that it's more friendly) - the very premise of an addon is to "make the game easier for you."

Very few people would ever install an addon or mod that would make the game more difficult.

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gregordunbar
01.25.2012 , 10:37 AM | #823
Quote: Originally Posted by Raeln View Post
Raiding is not as widespread as you think.

Most WoW players do not raid at all or raid so little that they are completely unaware what abilities the common bosses even have.
That was my point...it WAS NOT WIDESPREAD.

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Frigidman
01.25.2012 , 10:42 AM | #824
Quote: Originally Posted by SabersAtDawn View Post
NO to add-ons and macro crutches for the weak and feeble players who cant even play this p*%% easy game without them
Exactly. I think the fundamental point has been far overlooked.
The point being "Would hackjobs and macros benefit THIS game?"

Ok, we get it, it benefitted that game that I will never name or even exclaim. However for SW:TOR? Why is there this driving need for them, when its flippen easy with the archaic and annoying UI it currently has (which they have said they are updating)? I don't see the point for them in SW:TOR. Nothing is difficult here.

Sad to see after all these years... the same old QoL bugs exist, and nothing has changed for the better.
Way to go AAA developers!

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Ganelon
01.25.2012 , 10:42 AM | #825
Quote: Originally Posted by SabersAtDawn View Post
the biggest problem with add-on and macros is it makes the game about the 'haves' and 'have nots' why should someone have to search for add-ons or learn to program macros to be competitive in a game they have bought and pay subscription for.

Look at what has happened to WoW in many cases Add-ons are the game because you cannot possible do certain things without them.

If Bioware want to add feature then that's fine, everyone gets it and can use it.

SWTOR is p*55 easy as it is
Why should they need to research about their class to be competitive in a game they have bought and pay subscription for?

Why should the need to gear up their character to be competitive in a game they have bought and pay subscription for?

Why should they need to level their character to be competitive in a game they have bought and pay subscription for?

Why should they need to play by not smacking their head against the keyboard to be competitive in a game they have bought and pay subscription for?

There is no divide about "haves" and "have-nots" when it comes to addons and macros, because quite simply there are no "have-nots".

Also, there isn't a single thing in WoW that is impossible without addons. Addons are simply quality of life tools, that allow you customize your game experience. Nothing more.

Since addons and macros are features, I'm guessing that you'd have problem with them?

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Raeln
01.25.2012 , 10:43 AM | #826
Quote: Originally Posted by gregordunbar View Post
That was my point...it WAS NOT WIDESPREAD.
Neither is raiding in WoW...

... and neither is this "perceived" notion that the raiding game is ultra popular in TOR and TOR must have addons or it was fail concept that is bantered about regarding addons.

In truth:

Most people do not want or would not install addons, especially if they require significant effort.

Most people will not raid and if they do, will not raid on a regular basis.

Most people will not even read these forums to know this thread even exists.

In the end, all this banter about addons and mods are for a very small subset of the playerbase as a whole. It is a thinly veiled disguise for yet another plea by the elitist crowd to have some mechanism placed into the game to give them a way to distinguish themselves from the lesser caste of players, otherwise known as "the noobs".

Be there, done that. Did not buy the shirt.

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Frigidman
01.25.2012 , 10:44 AM | #827
Oh... and, just because.

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gregordunbar
01.25.2012 , 10:58 AM | #828
Quote: Originally Posted by Raeln View Post
Neither is raiding in WoW...

... and neither is this "perceived" notion that the raiding game is ultra popular in TOR and TOR must have addons or it was fail concept that is bantered about regarding addons.

In truth:

Most people do not want or would not install addons, especially if they require significant effort.

Most people will not raid and if they do, will not raid on a regular basis.

Most people will not even read these forums to know this thread even exists.

In the end, all this banter about addons and mods are for a very small subset of the playerbase as a whole. It is a thinly veiled disguise for yet another plea by the elitist crowd to have some mechanism placed into the game to give them a way to distinguish themselves from the lesser caste of players, otherwise known as "the noobs".

Be there, done that. Did not buy the shirt.
Wait, most people dont raid so we dont need mods? Wut? Did I not say that the most popular mods are not even raid mods? Yes I did so what are you saying here? WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF YOUR POST?

CTmod was the single most download mod for WoW with its raid component being the 3rd most download submod and that is nothing but a raid frame...hell even Gearscore isnt even in the top 10 most download mods of all time and it is far more popular than any raid effecting mod.

Your argument point is a redherring.

OH and BTW if you wish to try to continue with the, it isnt going to be used by the majority of the playerbase so isnt needed BS...

PvP isnt not something the majority will take part in so it isnt needed
Roleplaying, dont need it, few do it, so get rid of social points and everything tied to it.
Space combat? Few players...get rid of it.
Raiding, as you say...
4 man epics? Same
Flashpoints...

Oh hell Bioware you may as well shut the servers down your entire game is made up of a bunch of things that most people wont take part it and as SOME people say, if most people wont take part in it, we dont need it.

Byebye...

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Marasme
01.25.2012 , 11:01 AM | #829
Quote: Originally Posted by Nissin View Post
This games UI was made with flash we aren't getting any mods soon. I have friends who work at Curse who had a meeting with SWTOR devs a couple years ago to start implementing a team effort for UI development and approaches and they flat out said no we are not allowing it. They seem to not have the pulse of the community or just have the most arrogant development team ever thinking we can agree with all their decisions.
playing without addons is much more rewarding, unless u don't like challanges and have trouble coordinating ur abilities.

go play farm ville or wow pls

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SabersAtDawn
01.25.2012 , 11:04 AM | #830
Quote: Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
Since addons and macros are features, I'm guessing that you'd have problem with them?
I just don't see the necessity to have them in this game, and I hope that the developers have the good sense to not add them.
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