President and COO of HeroEngine blames Bioware for poor coding!

Yes, remove the context in which that statement was made.

The dude says that Bioware did a good job, and will continue to fix problems with the engine. Doesn't seem like he is bad mouthing Bio at all. Reading comprehension is difficult, yo.

If Lineage 2 could have 300+, using the Unreal Engine 6 years ago, then I'm pretty sure we've advanced far enough along that 65 people shoudnt bring a server to a screeching halt.

Hell even Shadowbane managed more then 65-100 people, and that was what.. 9 years ago?

Just stop defending it, its horribly coded. WAR wasnt any better tbh.

Hey IT geniuses:

Stop arguing about scalability on a system you know zero about. You don't know what the back end is, the gear is, or really anything that would allow you to make even close to an informed statement on this, let alone an educated one.

Who cares who's fault it is? It doesn't change the fact that the engine is crap.

And stop apologizing for BioWare by saying "EA made them do it. BOOOO EA!" BioWare IS EA. They merged. EA isn't some outside entity coming into mom & pop BioWare with thumb screws and iron maidens to torture the poor developers. You don't think there weren't bonuses involved in hitting a target date? EVERYONE over there wanted this thing to ship at Christmas.

And SWTOR has had years to learn from past MMO experiences/mistakes. Especially considering some of the lead devs worked on WAR. You would think that they would know how to optimize large-scale battles by now.

Lol @ your analogy, which btw has no connection whatsoever to the gaming industry. It doesn't take you days of programming to fix a problem with your burger. You grab two buns, grill a patty rq, slap some extras on it, and sell it. You don't need to spend days to fix the smallest problems.

People seem to think this game should have been released with all the features of WoW, and no glitches/bugs. Do you realize, when contructing a game, you first have to optimize the engine, program new features into the engine, and then begin development (where even the grass texture can take days to make).

I hope you all realize that WoW has had a massive company behind it, and has had 15 years of programming and optimizations (including the actual pre-release development). SWTOR has 5 years of programming and development behind it. New technology doesn't actually make the game industry perform that much faster...so they should be 10 years behind in features (which they are). Stop making stupid analogies about the gaming industry, you clearly have no idea how it works.

I may not have a Masters in IT or Comp Sci (as much as it pains me not to fix peoples' Outlook for a living) but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that when a 8v8 WZ is giving you sub optimal FPS and anything larger than that becomes a slideshow (ie Ilum) then something is deffinitely wrong. Engine, network, coding, who gives a F - just fix it. The only way BW would get any slack over this if it was the first MMO ever released but unofrtunetly it's not. This should have been priority before anything else. There's still no official response either regarding this issue.

interestingly enough thats what I said on teamspeak the first time we had a 32v32 lag fest in Illum - "holy **** it's worst than WAR!". At least in WAR at the end the keeps with 120 people in it were still dreadful but at least most of the open world stuff was playable assuming you had everything turned down.

I think the most interesting point is that BW didn't take a code drop of the engine for 3 years. That is a LONG time in game development, hell high end machines 3 years ago are a shadow of what is around now.

I disagree about the FPS comparisons as well, Ilum is its own planet there is simply no reason for not giving that hardware the specs and bandwidth it requires.

Do you have any actual evidence that it brings the server to a screeching halt? From what I've seen the server handles it fine.

Whether the engine can do it or not is irrelevant.

Their competitor's engine can: Aion, WoW, And even rift can handle 100's of people in a zone. And I'm pretty GW2 will handle it too.

Whoa, Neil Patrick Harris is the president and COO of HeroEngine?