Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Soulaufein

01.25.2012 , 08:35 AM \| #301	Quote
Nerfed, and good riddance. Ops/Scoundrels were ruining PVP for everyone : almost double the crits of any other class, 3 seconds to burn most of anyone's HP bar, while disabled. If OPs did this to say, a couple of classes (as in being a counter class) if would't be half bad. But every single class??? If you think this is "OK", well bye bye have fun playing whatever you'll be playing.

Thegriss

01.25.2012 , 08:40 AM \| #302	Quote
As a Healer in Full champ/raid gear I agree with the operative nerf. Its ridiculous to be stun locked and killed before you can even react. If you as a DPS operative could not do this than you where doing something wrong because I have had it happen numerous times.

Solonius

01.25.2012 , 08:44 AM \| #303	Quote
Hey look, a thread whining about forum whiners.
Drayven the Unyielding - 50 Guardian - Ebon Hawk

LimbSlicer

01.25.2012 , 09:07 AM \| #304	Quote
It is a joke people think operative/SC take no skill and steam roll people at 50. Having played most big MMO's over the past 10 years the obvious truth is in front of you at every WZ end on the score board, no not of damage or kills but of classes in the WZ. People always roll the strong easy classes at game launches when they learn of their advantages. These 2 classes would be SORC's and MERCENARY's for SWTOR. They flood the 50 WZ like a angry nest of ant's.

Tovenar

01.25.2012 , 09:09 AM \| #305	Quote
This thread is a joke. No self respecting company would ignore their own data. And hell, they CAN play the game and try it out themselves eh. Goodness gracious.
"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." -Darth Helmet

Chaos_Distortion

01.25.2012 , 10:31 AM \| #306	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by theblackjew Why complain about a nerf if you are so good your 'skill' should carry you. Oh wait... What part of "I play a healing Scoundrel, not a dps scoundrel" do some of you tardaloos don't understand? I don't want to see dps nerfed in this game for any classes because it will then lead to healing being nerfed. It will start a never ending cycle of increasing and lowering the ttk, that will destroy the game. The game was finely balanced for team pvp, now it's just going to be out of whack when they start nerfing dps classes. It will lead to a healing nerf that will also affect pve encounters and make it harder for pvers to pve. I don't want this game to fail, but obviously the posters in this thread do. I'm looking at the over all health of the game in the long run.
Empathetic (Chaos Legacy): 50 Scoundrel (Sawbones) Healer, Empathetic: 50 Sage (Seer) Healer on Helm of Graush and various other Alts. Been playing pvp Support/Healing in nearly every MMO since 1997 UO.

Chaos_Distortion

01.25.2012 , 10:33 AM \| #307	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Waldorf Since people are complaining about every single class, I guess any nerf would have been a cave in... OP, this time the nerf bat hit you. If you're such an experienced MMO player as you say, you know the other classes are next and you'll get your 15 minutes of overpoweredness another time, somewhere down the road. Didn't hit me, I just know that scoundrels/operatives weren't OPd, me pointing out the stupidity of the forum masses and their badness, doesn't translate to this nerf affecting me in the slightest.
Empathetic (Chaos Legacy): 50 Scoundrel (Sawbones) Healer, Empathetic: 50 Sage (Seer) Healer on Helm of Graush and various other Alts. Been playing pvp Support/Healing in nearly every MMO since 1997 UO.

Grafikk

01.25.2012 , 10:33 AM \| #308	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaos_Distortion This will start a nerfing trend that will get all dps classes nerfed eventually and then healing will be to high, so they will have to nerf healing and buff dps again. Then the nerfing/buffing cycle will just repeat itself, until the players get tired and the game dies. Good job at killing another game, that is what you forum whiners wanted after all. I don't think you know what class balance requires... sometimes classes need to be taken down a notch.
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Zyillo

01.25.2012 , 10:36 AM \| #309	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaos_Distortion The title says it all, Bioware like every other developer caved in to the very vocal forum minority which also usually tends to be some of the very worse MMO players in MMOs. This is the beginning of the end. Scoundrels/Operatives did not need a nerf Bioware, as a healer I say this. You need to test your game and use your own metrics before implementing any class changes in game. Do not go by made up scenarios and imaginary numbers that forum posters use to try to make a point. That's the mistake of past mmo devs that has caused their subscriptions to dwindle in the past and I say that as an MMO veteran since 1997 UO, that has played nearly every MMO since then. You should, if possible release surveys in game to also see how players feel about x and x changes before implementing them. You can also use surveys to see if players think some classes are over the top, currently. You will see that the majority of people that actually play the game at 50, don't feel like the random forum whiners/posers that aren't even 50 yet. This guy is surely being flamed to death by Biodrones. However, nothing he is saying is wrong. The game has not been out long enough to warrant ANY kind of nerf/buff because the player base has not developed their own technology to death with the Operative/Scoundrel threat. Every class should pose a problem that requires a different solution. I shouldn't use the same exact rotation when killing a Bounty Hunter that I use against a Marauder. Speaking of Marauder. Remember when people we complaining how horribly Marauder played? And then this happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2U6S2EJ1Zw It's entirely too soon to be making class changes. Very few people are actually playing their classes to their fullest potential.
I have been playing for a month. I deserve a level 50, full Battlemaster gear and the epic mount that you looted from Soa. I will get this all in 1.2 because I am the 99%

Zoso-six

01.25.2012 , 10:36 AM \| #310	Quote
they always look at metrics... why should operatives be able to do over 400k damage a warzone?

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