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The story based gameplay is flawed and might kill the game.

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The story based gameplay is flawed and might kill the game.

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Meldwyn
01.25.2012 , 07:02 AM | #11
If you want adult themed, find yourself an old copy of Leisure Suit Larry!
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gannonmoss
01.25.2012 , 07:02 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Rinkitink View Post
Let me know how the story is in a year, bro. If you can take your eyes off the nearest shiny object long enough.
You got it bro. Not too sure why you feel threatened by other people liking the story and the game, but cheers to you breh.

Have fun being pessimistic and hating things because others like them. You let me know how that goes in a year.

Bro.
Ryften
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Through Victory, My Chains Are Broken"

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Sparklehorse
01.25.2012 , 07:04 AM | #13
This is a classic example of how to get people to troll your thread.

Most of this post is decent and the idea is valid whether you agree or not. I tend to agree that they played it a bit safe on the story side but it seemed that the mantra when developing this game was indeed "play it safe."

The end result of that is a safe story that may seem a little vanilla (no WoW reference intended) to some of the more jaded and desensitized gamers. This is not just a KoTOR issue, this is mass media in general nowadays.

I personally have found most of the stories to be decent enough to keep me entertained.

But I digress.

You actually had a few good points but you framed them in a sensationalistic title that just begs for trolls to come in and start flinging their troll spittle all about and we all know how hard that is to get out of the furniture.
Stop exploding you cowards!

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AetherMcLoud
01.25.2012 , 07:04 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Ninjaboy View Post
Yet BW did not do anything to progress or evolve their art of story telling over KOTOR/Mass Effect.
To quote a meme: "Once you reach max level you stop leveling."
We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.

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Baelish
01.25.2012 , 07:05 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Rinkitink View Post
...you can only even get 4 unique stories.
Only if you refuse to play on both sides of the divide. The 4 Imperial stories are distinct and different from the 4 Republic ones.

Just because you've screamed to 50 and are now bored doesn't mean everyone else has done the same, and there won't be many people with 8 50s, one of each base class, by 6 months in. There might be a few, but it won't be even a sizable minority.

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Illanair
01.25.2012 , 07:06 AM | #16
1. Sharding isn't a bad thing since it is only partial sharding. You are free to move between "shards" as you see fit if your area is too crowded, or if noone is participating in world PvP (hah) at your location.

2. Rockstar's GTA/Read Dead series hasn't moved an inch in years. It is still the same old boring "rags to riches" story being told in such a predictive manner that by the end of the tutorial you already know exactly where you'll end up by the end of the game.

Bioware IS evolving both genres by bringing them together - showing that MMO's can actually have real stories besides 700 pages of quest logs you'll skip because they don't have any bearing on your feelings towards a faction or individual.

3. I will agree though that some of the planets seem vague and unscripted compared to the early ones. Some streamlining and more "consistensy" is welcomed by me.

4. You've clearly missed the big fat label on the packaging saying "Rated T for Teen" - you can't have "adult/unsafe" situations in a game marketed at teenagers, as long as parent guidance organisations cry bloody murder the second you see a piece of naked skin, or a scene with REAL emotions in them.

Even if they wanted to go darker, they could not because of these limitations. Why market it at teens you ask? Because anything higher than that isn't globally acceptable (see Australia) and isn't as profitable (more subscribers, more content). As for the "Good Vs. Evil" argument - did you watch the movies? The entire universe is built around the eternal Good Vs. Evil struggle. In the end evil always fails, and the empire of this age is no different if you follow the story.

Baseline: If you want darker, more realistic stories play a singleplayer RPG such as the Witcher series. Never expect such themes in an MMO in this day and age.

PS: Some of the things mentioned in (4) do happen - you may want to explore some other classes for those particular events.

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Nichalus
01.25.2012 , 07:07 AM | #17
OP, are you in the habit of reposting and now creating a basic copy of a response that you gave nearly a month ago?

http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...=109690&page=3

What, you didn't get the attention that you needed from that one, so you created a thread just to basically repeat it?

Obviously, you vocal 'minority' types just can't get it in your head that you are....well....a vocal minority. Meaning that the 'majority' of the people like this game. Your whine about YOUR opinion that this game will fail/fall/lose subs, etc...has been heard.

Now, unsub, or just walk away....its really kinda simple.

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gannonmoss
01.25.2012 , 07:07 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Baelish View Post
Only if you refuse to play on both sides of the divide. The 4 Imperial stories are distinct and different from the 4 Republic ones.

Just because you've screamed to 50 and are now bored doesn't mean everyone else has done the same, and there won't be many people with 8 50s, one of each base class, by 6 months in. There might be a few, but it won't be even a sizable minority.
^^^^

This. And you know some of us enjoy replaying content that we enjoy. It's crazy I know, like reading a book twice or watching a movie a second or third time. Totally crazy, it's nuts.

Thank you for this post you could probably cut and paste this into a good deal of other threads and it would be valid.
Ryften
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Through Victory, My Chains Are Broken"

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JScranton
01.25.2012 , 07:09 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by ArmchairMagpie View Post
Define "kill the game".

I have seen this over-used term alot but I am lacking the imagination of seeing a game killed. Never seen that before.

The only thing I could imagine being close to that is becoming so unprofitable that a closure by the developer company is imminent but even the worst perceived MMOs endured long enough. So all in all I am still very curious.
Tabula Rasa, Asheron's Call 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Earth & Beyond, Never Winter Nights, Matrix Online, Ragnarok Online, and Shadowbane.

Those are just a few over the years that have closed down, that I know of. No doubt, there are many, many more that have closed. So yeah, it can happen.

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JeremyDale
01.25.2012 , 07:09 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by gannonmoss View Post
You got it bro. Not too sure why you feel threatened by other people liking the story and the game, but cheers to you breh.

Have fun being pessimistic and hating things because others like them. You let me know how that goes in a year.

Bro.
You're missing his point Gannon.

No matter how much you like the story - once you finish watching the last cutscene in a month or two then what is there left to like?

YOu can't design a game like a movie and expect it to be successful long term. Games need Game Play that lasts. It needs an interesting world with a lot to do. This game just doesn't have that. It's basically just a string of voice-acted cut scenes that play out like an interactive movie. When that ends. so does the game basically. That's the flaw with putting so much empahsis on the story-driven gameplay.

Besides, if you are just wanting a good story why not read a book? Depth of gameplay is what utlimately matters most on any MMORPG. That's what keeps players coming back for more.