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The Expertise stat has to go...

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StealthStalker
01.24.2012 , 08:44 PM | #1161
Quote: Originally Posted by xxdragonragexx View Post
OK I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY EXPERTISE IS NEEDED!!! People are confusing expertise with gear progression.

For our example, I'll take away expertise. There is no expertise anymore in the game.
But we still have gear progression meaning tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 armor and weapons.

Now tell me, A VALOR 60+ PLAYER IN FULL BATTLEMASTER VS A FRESH 50. The gears do not have expertise. What do you think will happen? Do you think the the fresh 50 will somewhat miraculously have a chance? Of course not. With or without expertise, that fresh 50 is going to get rolled BECAUSE OF GEAR!!!! BECAUSE THERE IS GEAR PROGRESSION.

Expertise is there so that people who raid will not be able to suddenly go to warzones and wreck pvpers through gear. It's the only reason expertise is there.
Search for "Wards" or "Ward" and "Warhammer", or check my post history for recent posts regarding the idea.
Dual Targeting, any AAA MMO released today should have this included. Don't let your next one release without it.
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So what exactly is Dual Targeting? You have 2 targets available at all times, one offensive and one defensive. That's it, it's that simple.

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pinealogik
01.25.2012 , 02:13 AM | #1162
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Vampirius View Post
If you want PVP based on 100% skill and nothing else, go play Gears of War. MMOs are not like that.
So MMO are for skill-less noob then? Okay, sound fun.

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Dalnar
01.25.2012 , 02:15 AM | #1163
Expertise is like disease developed to cure another disease.

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Yamok
01.25.2012 , 02:57 AM | #1164
Quote: Originally Posted by RpTheHotrod View Post
If PVP needs a reward system, then have it apply expertise to your character, not gear. It has no use outside of PVP, but while in PVP it "activates". The higher the valor you have, the more "expertise" your character earns.

I hate a system where you have to "swap gear" constantly. EverQuest 2 had a style where every ability you had did something different depending on if you were PVPing or PVEing. If you hit a mob with a super hit, you did 15,000 damage. If you used the same ability on a player, it did 3,000 damage. No gear changes needed. It auto applied to skills....not gear.


this is a great idea!

and some1 else mentioned a % per every 10 valor ranks.
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Flogy
01.25.2012 , 03:07 AM | #1165
Easy Solution to PvP outside of bugs and imbalance:
1. give players a gear score
2. rank players based on valor rank and the gear score
3. group servers into "battlegroups" so when you Q for a warzone you Q with many other servers.
4. some *********** entry level pvp gear (player made gems/gear)

Pvp doesn't seem "broken" but it does seem a bit ****ed up, on my server (the harbinger) republic gets rolled Hard and it just seems like a huge difference in gear. I'm not sure if that is due to the Sith having been more active in pvp or exploiting it or both but its frustrating to a point that even though i never post on game forums (5years in wow 0 forum posts) here I am, ************ about pvp having just come from a crushing defeat on Alderaan. I love the idea of pvp in a MMO but whats the point if the avg. life expectancy of everyone on my team is like 1 min. Say what you will about world of warcraft, battlegrounds kicked *** I still remember my 1st grinds in Alteric valley fighting my way to SP then across the bridge into Dun Baldir. Know what I remember about star wars pvp? Getting rolled hard by the opposition and i cant do **** about it. So please see the steps above and get on it Devs. Not sure about the rest of you but if things dont change I'm heading back to wow for some solid pvp, with the right enchantment anything can look like a lightsaber.

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Yamok
01.25.2012 , 03:30 AM | #1166
Quote: Originally Posted by Flogy View Post
Easy Solution to PvP outside of bugs and imbalance:
1. give players a gear score
2. rank players based on valor rank and the gear score
3. group servers into "battlegroups" so when you Q for a warzone you Q with many other servers.
4. some *********** entry level pvp gear (player made gems/gear)

Pvp doesn't seem "broken" but it does seem a bit ****ed up, on my server (the harbinger) republic gets rolled Hard and it just seems like a huge difference in gear. I'm not sure if that is due to the Sith having been more active in pvp or exploiting it or both but its frustrating to a point that even though i never post on game forums (5years in wow 0 forum posts) here I am, ************ about pvp having just come from a crushing defeat on Alderaan. I love the idea of pvp in a MMO but whats the point if the avg. life expectancy of everyone on my team is like 1 min. Say what you will about world of warcraft, battlegrounds kicked *** I still remember my 1st grinds in Alteric valley fighting my way to SP then across the bridge into Dun Baldir. Know what I remember about star wars pvp? Getting rolled hard by the opposition and i cant do **** about it. So please see the steps above and get on it Devs. Not sure about the rest of you but if things dont change I'm heading back to wow for some solid pvp, with the right enchantment anything can look like a lightsaber.

O God not Gear score!
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Flogy
01.25.2012 , 03:59 AM | #1167
Easy Solution to PvP outside of bugs and imbalance:
1. give players a gear score
2. rank players based on valor rank and the gear score
3. group servers into "battlegroups" so when you Q for a warzone you Q with many other servers.
4. some *********** entry level pvp gear (player made gems/gear)

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CupieFoxtail
01.25.2012 , 04:04 AM | #1168
Without expertise, how am I supposed to beat two significantly less skilled players? They'll kill me after I get just one of them down

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Avindra
01.25.2012 , 04:21 AM | #1169
Quote: Originally Posted by KOTOR-LOVER View Post
Stop right there. In every other non-mmo game, the biggest reward is skill over time. You get BETTER at the game you are playing if you put more time into it. That's what PvP needs to be about. Skill and that's it. Not gear nor anything else that gives players that play more an unfair advantage.
I beg to differ, I have played many mmos where there were really bad players who got gear then became passable. Still bad but atleast now they could do their job.

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Avindra
01.25.2012 , 04:24 AM | #1170
Expertise is an Empire only stat, Republic dont have access to it.