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How Do YOU Feel About the Reveal of Darth Revan's True Intentions?
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View Poll Results: So how do you feel about this?
No! That's not true! That's impossible! (Denial) 199 16.31%
Well, haven't I been saying that all along? (Acceptance) 703 57.62%
Well, that sucks. What were they thinking?! (Anger) 203 16.64%
Revan... How could you? My life has no meaning... (Despair) 115 9.43%
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FalmeseReb
Joined: Jul 2009
12.10.2009 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Rayhakk
orly lol
well the nasty looking Darth-Vader-without-a-helmet Sith in the trailer at least...
 
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DarthMarak
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Revan | 12.10.2009 , 01:20 PM
Well, i think his true intentions is OK. I mean, he was always meant to be evil!
"Know that there was once a Geek. And that that geek cast aside that role, was exiled, and found a new purpose. But there must always be a geek, one that holds the knowledge of everything geeky. Who has been geeked in their heart, and will geek in turn." - Darth Geek, about his lame life!
 
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Jxspyder
Joined: Mar 2009
12.10.2009 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Baalaghair
Yep. The last Emperor. Not the Last known Emperor. And Kressh was the last.
I was a Kressh supporter from the start. I won!!!
The last Emperor, that the Jedi were pursuing. The Jedi didn't know Ludo Kressh was a Sith Emperor. He was dead already. And when someone claims their the Sith Emperor, when there's already an Emperor, well generally the guy who's alive at the end wins that. It wasn't Kressh. And like Walsh pointed out, the're already retconning Sadow to make it ambiguous if he died.
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Fyurii
Joined: Oct 2008
12.10.2009 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jxspyder
Well, he pretty specifically stated that the True Sith Emperor was the Old Sith Emperor. And while it may be poor wording, they generally are pretty strict about what they can and can't say. Partially to keep information from being released early, and partially to continue just this kind of debate on the forums.


Also, I think this is a relatively new addition to the holonet page.

"Unbeknownst to the Jedi however, the last Emperor of the Sith managed to escape the carnage and fled into Deep Space with his most trusted Dark Lords."
I never said anything about the Emperor not being the Emperor of the first Sith Empire.
I did say that he's a 1300 year old survivor.

Read what I quoted.
Some people are automaticly drawing the conclusion from Erickson's words, that the Emperor is Naga Sadow.

He doesn't actually hint toward that at all.
It just comes across more like he said that the Jedi didn't know they hadn't destroyed all the Sith during during the GHW.
Including whomever the Emperor is.

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The last Emperor, that the Jedi were pursuing.
Except the Jedi never pursued Sadow.
It was a task force of Republic ships, which were destroyed when he used a crystal device to cause a sun to go supernova.
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Darth_Baalaghair
Joined: Nov 2008
12.10.2009 , 02:54 PM
So Kressh is still winning! But this is getting a bit off-topic! This is about Revan. Personally I'm looking forward to finally know the backstory of KOTOR.
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LCARS
Joined: Jul 2009
12.10.2009 , 04:06 PM
I'm okay with Reven being revealed to be a pawn of the true Sith Emperor. There were a ton of signs that he found something in the Unknown Regions, something dark and evil that changed him and that he eventually returned to so he could fight it alone.

Honestly this makes his decision to not take anyone with him seem reasonable. If he and Malak were turned once out there perhaps he didn't want to risk Bastilla or Carth or anyone else falling if they went with him. He probably figured he'd just returned from that darkness to stop Malak and was stronger for it so he couldn't be turned again. Either he would succeed in his mission or die trying but if anyone went with him he would fail for sure and possibly fall again.

They key to this all though is it doesn't change what happened in KotOR, only his motivations prior to KotOR. In the end the light side cannon ending still holds true. As other I suspect if Revan remained dark he would have tried to overthrow the Sith Emperor. I'd be willing to guess the Star Forge was not in the Emperor's plans, it was just something that Revan and Malak stumbled upon that allowed them to carry out their mission for the Emperor that in turn they could have used to turn on him with.

All in all I'm all for it so long as we discover Revan stayed with the light, went after the Sith Empire on his own once his memories returned, and did something heroic to save the Republic one last time, if only for a while. Keep the KotOR and post KotOR Revan good, pre KotOR Revan feel free to make more evil, it only makes his redemption that much more meaningful.
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Joined: Mar 2009
12.10.2009 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fyurii
I never said anything about the Emperor not being the Emperor of the first Sith Empire.
I did say that he's a 1300 year old survivor.

Read what I quoted.
Some people are automaticly drawing the conclusion from Erickson's words, that the Emperor is Naga Sadow.

He doesn't actually hint toward that at all.
It just comes across more like he said that the Jedi didn't know they hadn't destroyed all the Sith during during the GHW.
Including whomever the Emperor is.



Except the Jedi never pursued Sadow.
It was a task force of Republic ships, which were destroyed when he used a crystal device to cause a sun to go supernova.
Actually, you did.

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Originally Posted by Fyurii
They haven't said anything that really hints at Sadow or any other known Sith or that time as being the current Emperor.
All they've said, is that it's a 1300 year old survivor who fled with a few other survivors to rebuild.
There are very few options of an unknown, new Sith being the True Sith Emperor. And what they have said hints at a very small number of Sith Lords, most of which are indeed known.

"What they found in deep space, that changed them and sent them back, was the Emperor.....and the Emperor of the Old Sith, from the Great Hyperspace War, that the Jedi had thought they had killed off."

Direct quote of Erickson. Either the Old Sith Emperor is hanging around with the New Sith Emperor, or they are the same person. But it pretty explicitly ties the two of them together. And since the True Sith Emperor escaped during that final battle of the GHW, then again, there are a very small group of Sith who could be considered the Emperor, who would be known by the Jedi.
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DanielErickson
Joined: Oct 2008
12.10.2009 , 04:34 PM
Wow. Great thread. It's fantastic to see all the excitement around the KOTOR lore. There is much that we obviously aren’t revealing but I did want to clear up any misconceptions about what I was talking about in the interview.
  • Revan and Malak went into deep space and met the Sith Emperor. They were turned and sent back to prepare the way for the return of the true Sith.
  • Being Sith and away from the Emperor’s direct influence neither Revan nor Malak followed orders exactly as they were supposed to. Then, of course, Malak betrayed Revan.
  • The Jedi took in Revan and returned him to the light, though as it was not a natural turn for him when he went dark, there was much they couldn’t undo and they decided to remove his memories and hopefully his taint with it. Yes, Revan’s return to the light (and his gender as male) are canon.
  • Later Revan returned to deep space to confront what he knew was out there but how much he actually remembered and how clearly he remembered it is still a mystery, as are the events that followed. What we do know is that it took hundreds of years for the Sith to re-emerge as originally planned.
The rest is all speculation and have fun with that. For those of you convinced that somehow we’re going to destroy KOTOR, I ask you to remember that the creative team (including the lead writer and lead designer) that was in charge of KOTOR’s story is on this staff, working on this game. Trust us that our investment in this lore is at least as strong as yours.
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Joined: Jan 2009
12.10.2009 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorWalsh
I'm a lorist myself, but I still disagree.

They have recently made some retcons to Sadow specifically to leave him open to being able to come back. First he trained Nadd on Yavin 4. Then his spirit trained Nadd on Yavin 4. Then his holocron trained Nadd on Yavin 4. Etc etc.

It can't be Ludo because the Republic/Jedi never even knew about him.

The only person the Jedi knew about during the Great Hyperspace War as the ruler of the Sith, as the Emperor, was Sadow. So that has to be the person they are referring to.
Sadow being a spirit is still Sadow himself. His Holocron was never said to have trained Nadd as far as I know (if it does, then please provide evidence), only Adas's Holocron which Nadd obtained on Ashas Ree, then went to Yavin IV to train under the spirit of Sadow. Nearly all relevant sources clearly state that Nadd awakened Sadow's spirit after arriving at Yavin IV, learnt all he could from him about Sith sorcery, took all his artifacts etc, Destroyed his spirit and then left for Onderon. Also, the VERY recent Essential Atlas shows the Sith Emperor goes in a different direction to Sadow. The only etion I have ever heard of Naga Sadow's Holocron was in Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force, where Palpatine had recorded some of what Naga Sadow said on Sith alchemy. It isn't even stated as Sadow's Holocron, just: "Naga Sadow, who left detailed records of his work within in a Sith Holocron I cam across some years ago". It could be anyones Holocron.

I agree, Kressh cannot be the Emperor, but it would require a minor retcon and it would be entirely possible, for example: If Kressh survived the first battle of Korriban then he could take back command of some of the Sith forces, perhaps revealing himself to be alive after Dakhan is defeated by Republic forces. The Republic forces learn of Kressh being Emperor/Dark Lord etc and seek to destroy him. Kressh is cunning, if he knew he was doomed, he would likely retreat to live another day. By doing that he plants a corpse in his tomb to fool anyone that may come across his tomb into believing he truely was dead, little would they know that he was still alive and planning to rebuild the Empire. In 4,904 BBY he finally starts rebuilding the Sith Empire in the unknown regions. I know this is all fanon and just an example, but it is very possible if a minor retcon was involved.
It is however, easier just to develop a new character.

Also, you are forgetting Shar Dakhan:
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Originally Posted by The Essential Atlas, page 128
"When it became clear that surrender was the only option, acting Dark Lord Shar Dahkan ordered his his warriors into suicide attacks against the invading fleet, inflicting heavy casualties and forcing the Republic into a temporary retreat."
Shar Dakhan became ACTING Dark Lord after Sadow and Kressh were gone, and had a big impact on the Republic. Also there is a lot of time from the Great Hyperspace War in 5,000 BBY to the dissolution of the Sith Empire in 4,990 BBY, enough time for entirely new characters to appear. Also the book coming out Crosscurrent was stated in the News and updates of this website, suggesting that maybe it has something to do with the game. Crosscurrent features Shar Dakhan.
"If your bloodline reveals that you are merely a spy or pretender to Sith Knowledge, may my words reach out to tear your eyes and tongue from your head, and may you drown in your loved one's blood while your enemies look upon your wretched form and laugh." -- Naga Sadow on Sith alchemy
 
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MasterAwesom
Joined: Nov 2009
12.10.2009 , 04:44 PM
okay, REVAN WAS A SITH UNTIL HE TURNED TO THE LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is that simple. read the darth bane books!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it says he never served anyone but himself! play (and finish) the kotor games!!!!! he never served naga sadow!!! go to wookieepedia.com and look up naga sadow or darth revan!! THEY NEVER EVEN KNEW EACHOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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