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The Expertise stat has to go...

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The Expertise stat has to go...

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Razot
01.24.2012 , 07:43 PM | #1141
Quote: Originally Posted by Incursuss View Post
ex pandemic legion here



RZR,Goons and meta alts

/ Bow to PL overlord.

The meta game on the evict NC campaign was brilliant.

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Vrumpt
01.24.2012 , 07:47 PM | #1142
Quote: Originally Posted by Holyhood View Post
I think you should stop crying about things you could fix yourself.
Thanks for your input that I won't value at all. You clearly aren't capable of thinking outside the confines of the ideas this MMO era has restricted yourself in.

You can still have your PvP gear that is endurance heavy, and have it look entirely different from other gear.

All expertise has done for swtor so far is get our pvp pool cut in half resulting in longer queue times for everybody. Removing it allows us to reverse this and let us play with people who are lower level, and those lower levels won't be bashing on a brick wall anymore.

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KOTOR-LOVER
01.24.2012 , 07:52 PM | #1143
Quote: Originally Posted by Holyhood View Post
Yeah a thing or two. Yet you hide behind a faceless avatar and a no-name handle. RIGHTO.

If people like you who say they actually know things about PvP then you would know there is a gear cap. Always.

Right now, its battlemaster. Not hard to get.

But do, please... keep crying about things you "know so much about".
Hello, Holyhood. You don't understand do you? Was it fun getting it? Was it fun getting beat down all the way up until you finally had a complete Battlemaster set? NO! What new player would enjoy that kind of grind getting destroyed and demolished until after A LOT of warzones could come out with a full set. It is NOT easy nor is it FUN to grind up the commendations after getting beat down and demoralized warzone after warzone after warzone by people who are already geared out. Why not just make PvP a solid matchup between players of equal stats to see who is better at the game? Why put hurdles in to reach that point? Who finds that fun?
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AlbertXP
01.24.2012 , 08:00 PM | #1144
what are you freaking kidding me? The playing field is equal. Anyone who pvp'd for more than 1 week has full champion. And battlemaster is only slightly better than that. You can basically get 14+ bags the first day you ding 50 if you saved commendations while leveling, that should get you quite a few pieces of champion gear and enough centurion comms to buy a piece.

I don't want no full rakata raider being effective at pvp. And I dont want a full battlemaster to be able to raid just as well as a rakata. Its as simple as that.
Gear progression as an incentive is always nice and should stay.

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Screttle
01.24.2012 , 08:00 PM | #1145
like with every game you put in the time u get rewarded, the stat is ur reward for killing hundreds and grinding out the gear. what is the point in having no buffs or no difference between the people just 50 to those who have spend hopefully the game lasts to 2years of game play. the higher valour rank the more options u should have available because u have earnt it!!!! most people cry about it coz they dont play 12 hours a day, im lucky to play 1-3hours but i love the challenge to fight people that know all of their classes. i Love the Challenge of being under powered and succeeding, it develops skill and better game play. i dont see all the fuss if it is such an issue reduce it to 5% or something minor but in the long run makes a larger difference.

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KOTOR-LOVER
01.24.2012 , 08:06 PM | #1146
Quote: Originally Posted by Screttle View Post
like with every game you put in the time u get rewarded, the stat is ur reward for killing hundreds and grinding out the gear.
Stop right there. In every other non-mmo game, the biggest reward is skill over time. You get BETTER at the game you are playing if you put more time into it. That's what PvP needs to be about. Skill and that's it. Not gear nor anything else that gives players that play more an unfair advantage.
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Screttle
01.24.2012 , 08:07 PM | #1147
Quote: Originally Posted by KOTOR-LOVER View Post
Hello, Holyhood. You don't understand do you? Was it fun getting it? Was it fun getting beat down all the way up until you finally had a complete Battlemaster set? NO! What new player would enjoy that kind of grind getting destroyed and demolished until after A LOT of warzones could come out with a full set. It is NOT easy nor is it FUN to grind up the commendations after getting beat down and demoralized warzone after warzone after warzone by people who are already geared out. Why not just make PvP a solid matchup between players of equal stats to see who is better at the game? Why put hurdles in to reach that point? Who finds that fun?
all people would do mate is wear **** gear or none.. to lower stats then change gear once they enter... what is even the point of your comment!!! there is way to much game mechanics involved to even try to match people based on that, to much wasted time and effort i say just to make people with no mates in game to help them. its not hard to chat to people in game or stick with a healer and work together. if u want single player game dont play mmos.

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ztee
01.24.2012 , 08:08 PM | #1148
Quote: Originally Posted by KOTOR-LOVER View Post
Hello, Holyhood. You don't understand do you? Was it fun getting it? Was it fun getting beat down all the way up until you finally had a complete Battlemaster set? NO! What new player would enjoy that kind of grind getting destroyed and demolished until after A LOT of warzones could come out with a full set. It is NOT easy nor is it FUN to grind up the commendations after getting beat down and demoralized warzone after warzone after warzone by people who are already geared out. Why not just make PvP a solid matchup between players of equal stats to see who is better at the game? Why put hurdles in to reach that point? Who finds that fun?
You need to remember that fun is a subjective term ..... It's a MMO, they are a grind. You can argue for normalisation of gear / stats - but what incentives would you have they offer to keep you playing the game? Sure asthetics / titles / mounts or whatever are all great, but do you feel more powerful over time?

I personally like to see the gradual increase in my power / abilities, it gives me something to strive for. If losing a little for a week or two (and lets be honest, thats all it really takes) is all i have to go through, then im ok with that.

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KOTOR-LOVER
01.24.2012 , 08:09 PM | #1149
Quote: Originally Posted by ztee View Post
You need to remember that fun is a subjective term ..... It's a MMO, they are a grind. You can argue for normalisation of gear / stats - but what incentives would you have they offer to keep you playing the game? Sure asthetics / titles / mounts or whatever are all great, but do you feel more powerful over time?

I personally like to see the gradual increase in my power / abilities, it gives me something to strive for. If losing a little for a week or two (and lets be honest, thats all it really takes) is all i have to go through, then im ok with that.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...78#post2125278
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xxdragonragexx
01.24.2012 , 08:10 PM | #1150
OK I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY EXPERTISE IS NEEDED!!! People are confusing expertise with gear progression.

For our example, I'll take away expertise. There is no expertise anymore in the game.
But we still have gear progression meaning tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 armor and weapons.

Now tell me, A VALOR 60+ PLAYER IN FULL BATTLEMASTER VS A FRESH 50. The gears do not have expertise. What do you think will happen? Do you think the the fresh 50 will somewhat miraculously have a chance? Of course not. With or without expertise, that fresh 50 is going to get rolled BECAUSE OF GEAR!!!! BECAUSE THERE IS GEAR PROGRESSION.

Expertise is there so that people who raid will not be able to suddenly go to warzones and wreck pvpers through gear. It's the only reason expertise is there.