POLL: Do you think PVP stats/gear should go?

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POLL: Do you think PVP stats/gear should go?

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Mintawno

01.24.2012 , 07:41 PM \| #51	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by KOTOR-LOVER And please elaborate. What's wrong with my poll? You make people who vote "yes" to be the enlightened people, and those who vote "no" to be elitist jerks. You, my fellow swtor gamer, are not seeing the complete picture.

KOTOR-LOVER

01.24.2012 , 07:45 PM \| #52	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Mintawno You make people who vote "yes" to be the enlightened people, and those who vote "no" to be elitist jerks. You, my fellow swtor gamer, are not seeing the complete picture. I am currently attempting to change this but it is essentially how it works. From what I have seen, you guys are adamant elitist jerks holding on so stubbornly to a flawed system that just rewards people with unfair advantages. I'm trying to change the answers, but these questions ARE the true arguments from both sides. One says PvP should only be based on skill and the rest say to go farm more until you're on our level. I'll try to change "n00bs" to make it less biased. I'm sorry you feel taht way but you should still vote either "yes" or "no", it doesn't change anything.
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Holyhood

01.24.2012 , 07:48 PM \| #53	Quote
On another note. I said this in another thread... There IS a gear cap. There is no infinite world of pvp gear that the longer you play, the better gear you get... The current gear cap is Battlemaster. It is really not terrible hard to get it now that Ilum is nice and broken with valor handouts. People like you are so set on being carebear, you don't see why pvpers want a gear with special pvp stats. Otherwise, raiding gear would be best. I don;t want PvErs having the same gear as me. Plain and simple.
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KOTOR-LOVER

01.24.2012 , 07:53 PM \| #54	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Holyhood On another note. I said this in another thread... There IS a gear cap. There is no infinite world of pvp gear that the longer you play, the better gear you get... The current gear cap is Battlemaster. It is really not terrible hard to get it now that Ilum is nice and broken with valor handouts. People like you are so set on being carebear, you don't see why pvpers want a gear with special pvp stats. Otherwise, raiding gear would be best. I don;t want PvErs having the same gear as me. Plain and simple. Check that thread, I responded. I'll post it here as well: You don't understand do you? Was it fun getting it? Was it fun getting beat down all the way up until you finally had a complete Battlemaster set? NO! What new player would enjoy that kind of grind getting destroyed and demolished until after A LOT of warzones could come out with a full set. It is NOT easy nor is it FUN to grind up the commendations after getting beat down and demoralized warzone after warzone after warzone by people who are already geared out. Why not just make PvP a solid matchup between players of equal stats to see who is better at the game? Why put hurdles in to reach that point? Who finds that fun?
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Mintawno

01.24.2012 , 07:54 PM \| #55	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Holyhood On another note. I said this in another thread... There IS a gear cap. There is no infinite world of pvp gear that the longer you play, the better gear you get... The current gear cap is Battlemaster. It is really not terrible hard to get it now that Ilum is nice and broken with valor handouts. People like you are so set on being carebear, you don't see why pvpers want a gear with special pvp stats. Otherwise, raiding gear would be best. I don;t want PvErs having the same gear as me. Plain and simple. Exactly. we should start a poll in this poll thread. Should PVP gear scale with how much time you invest in PVP? Yes - Because I worked for it, and so can you! No - Because I don't want to work for it, but still have a chance to kill you! This is exactly the kind of Bias that doesn't belong here. The OP is so blinded by the fact that not everyone agrees with him that he feels the need to go on a Childish Rampage. Yes, you may not like that I said that but guess what? Instead of it being an opinion, it's the truth. Truth imbedded in your posts where you call people names and use the argument "it's complete BS" without even bothering to give examples. I also like how you gave an analogy "Oh hey, everybody loves drugs, we should do drugs too!" I have another analogy that fits your thinking "Hey, that guy makes more money than me for having worked here longer than me! I should get a raise to equal his pay!" This is why I can't take you serious.

Sunsoar

01.24.2012 , 07:56 PM \| #56	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by ZDProletariat MMOs are all about grinding gear. We have PVE to grind for, and PVP gear to grind for. No point in getting rid of half the end game content. RNG is not a grind.
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tsupra

01.24.2012 , 07:57 PM \| #57	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by KOTOR-LOVER Now, before you vote, if the answer is no please read these 2 posts: this if you haven't already and this (read the TL;DR I guess if you're lazy) PVP should be based on skill and not seriously limit the new guy. Remember when it was fun in beta and the first week of early access?? The guy in the first one is right, what's the point when it just puts everyone on equal footing EVENTUALLY? Please cast your vote here since it looks like Bioware disabled the poll option on the forums. It's really easy to vote, just click the answer you agree with. So before i vote i must read your propaganda?you back up one side only and call it poll?i hope they close this thread and every similar threads out there and give a nasty forum ban to everyone ever starts one!

Razot

01.24.2012 , 07:59 PM \| #58	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Holyhood On another note. I said this in another thread... There IS a gear cap. There is no infinite world of pvp gear that the longer you play, the better gear you get... The current gear cap is Battlemaster. It is really not terrible hard to get it now that Ilum is nice and broken with valor handouts. People like you are so set on being carebear, you don't see why pvpers want a gear with special pvp stats. Otherwise, raiding gear would be best. I don;t want PvErs having the same gear as me. Plain and simple. You see dude as for now its not that big of a deal but what happens when the raids get harder and gear gets better? They put out new PVP with even more expertise then new 50s hit a brick wall and most will bail just like every other crap mmo the PVP community gets smaller and smaller and replacement people get rare then PVP dies as the devide between old and new players grow. Nothing wrong with PVP gear i just question the expertise the way it is at its current state. I would be more open to the idea if it gave increases to specific roles that negate the stat such as damage reduction to tanks, DPS increases to dps gear and healing bonus to healers but not the full spectrum. The only thing i see is a shrinking PVP player base or more brakets and longer queue times then cross server BS.. all bad imo Its bad and I get no plesure face rolling people..

Holyhood

01.24.2012 , 08:00 PM \| #59	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by mintawno exactly. We should start a poll in this poll thread. Should pvp gear scale with how much time you invest in pvp? Yes - because i worked for it, and so can you! No - because i don't want to work for it, but still have a chance to kill you! This is exactly the kind of bias that doesn't belong here. The op is so blinded by the fact that not everyone agrees with him that he feels the need to go on a childish rampage. Yes, you may not like that i said that but guess what? Instead of it being an opinion, it's the truth. Truth imbedded in your posts where you call people names and use the argument "it's complete bs" without even bothering to give examples. I also like how you gave an analogy "oh hey, everybody loves drugs, we should do drugs too!" i have another analogy that fits your thinking "hey, that guy makes more money than me for having worked here longer than me! I should get a raise to equal his pay!" this is why i can't take you serious. qft . . .
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KOTOR-LOVER

01.24.2012 , 08:01 PM \| #60	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Mintawno Exactly. we should start a poll in this poll thread. Should PVP gear scale with how much time you invest in PVP? Yes - Because I worked for it, and so can you! No - Because I don't want to work for it, but still have a chance to kill you! This is exactly the kind of Bias that doesn't belong here. The OP is so blinded by the fact that not everyone agrees with him that he feels the need to go on a Childish Rampage. Yes, you may not like that I said that but guess what? Instead of it being an opinion, it's the truth. Truth imbedded in your posts where you call people names and use the argument "it's complete BS" without even bothering to give examples. I also like how you gave an analogy "Oh hey, everybody loves drugs, we should do drugs too!" I have another analogy that fits your thinking "Hey, that guy makes more money than me for having worked here longer than me! I should get a raise to equal his pay!" This is why I can't take you serious. 1) I'm absolutely fine with that poll. That's exactly right. I don't want to have to work to be have a chance at killing you. I want it absolutely equal so it's fair and fun (and based on skill) for everyone from the start. 2) I backup my arguments and explain to you why I call you arrogant. 3) What kind of examples are you looking for? 4) This is a game, not a 2nd life. It should be fun and enjoyable. I'm paying to play and have fun, not to have to work to have fun later. 5) I'm sorry you can't take me seriously. You take that quote completely out of context. People were arguing that since this is an MMO, it must follow every other MMO even if the system is flawed. They might not think it's flawed just like how some people who do drugs don't find what their doing is "bad".
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