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The Expertise stat has to go...

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The Expertise stat has to go...

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StealthStalker
01.24.2012 , 07:14 PM | #1131
Quote: Originally Posted by shaidarlol View Post
that's not the same page man, in the ward system what is the incentive to just purely pvp? there is none, it's just better to pve...if you only pvped you'd just limit yourself from part of the game for absolutely no reason at all.

new player: hmm if i pved i can do both pvp and pve, but if i only pvp then i can only really just pvp....because if i wanted to pve later on i'd have to start from the beginning anyways.
The goal is to keep PvP balanced and competitive? Right? I thought that's where we were on the same page. Let me find a few of your previous posts.

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the whole idea of expertise is to make the fights between players last longer, being blown up within a few seconds is hardly metric for skill. notice how everyone was complaining about operatives? ...
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pve progression = ....

pvp progression = ...

if you believe without expertise it would be different, you are definitely living in a dream world. in that world instead of players with expertise gear, you'll be fighting players with raid gear and believe me they will stomp the crap out of you as well. so what's the next step? complain about raid gear in pvp...and what happens when the new pve tier content comes out and ppl have even more stats? when will this end? never...welcome to mmo
That's the problem with the current expertise/pvp stat system.

My alternative eliminates that to an extent, giving all of us who enjoy PvP the ability to PvP without having advantages over others just because of the gear we wear. Whether that's obtained in PvP or PvE.

I agree with you that those of us who PvE can just PvE and enjoy ourselves in PvP all the same. The thing is, it's still balanced. It's still competitive.

Everyone who does not like to PvE doesn't have to, they're still competitive in PvP all the same.

No, those who only PvP will not be able to progress in PvE at certain tiers instantly, but we're choosing the lesser of two evils here. Sort of, anyway. Part of the PvE allure is progressing from tier to tier.

With the Ward system PvP remains competitive, exciting. There's no advantages for doing one or the other.

You say someone may choose to primarily PvE and get their gear that way. That's fine isn't it? It doesn't make them more powerful than someone who only PvP's, they just get to see that PvE content.

I don't see a downside to that.
Dual Targeting, any AAA MMO released today should have this included. Don't let your next one release without it.
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So what exactly is Dual Targeting? You have 2 targets available at all times, one offensive and one defensive. That's it, it's that simple.

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Razot
01.24.2012 , 07:14 PM | #1132
Quote: Originally Posted by Holyhood View Post
That is an absolutely terrible poll.

It does not have to do with farming as much as putting in the time to get the gear. Do you get all the gears you want in PvE raiding? No.

Expertise isn't going anywhere, there's absolutely no point in you lackluster pvpers crying about something that isn't going to change.

Man up, run warzones, get commendations.

Not hard. Stop being mediocre.

Ironic Overload! lol

Guess you need a crutch then.. thats ok PVP isnt for everyone kid!

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Holyhood
01.24.2012 , 07:15 PM | #1133
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
Ironic Overload! lol

Guess you need a crutch then.. thats ok PVP isnt for everyone kid!
Sorry, who are you?
Xin - Battlemaster Marauder - Empire - Crucible Pits

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Kazzilla
01.24.2012 , 07:18 PM | #1134
Welcome to the world of generic MMOs

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xtriadx
01.24.2012 , 07:24 PM | #1135
Gear/or more bluntly a single stat should not define your ability to/in pvp..but in this game it does. Stop placating mediocre pvpers by making them feel like they are all that based on nothing but a single stat.

Expertise should be removed as it is unnecessary and doing nothing but aggravate your playerbase.

Its a crutch..so I expect it will stay.

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Razot
01.24.2012 , 07:27 PM | #1136
Quote: Originally Posted by Holyhood View Post
Sorry, who are you?
Just someone who knows a thing or two about competitive PVP.

But please continue to show us your epeen its rather funny kiddo!

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Incursuss
01.24.2012 , 07:30 PM | #1137
Quote: Originally Posted by uhhhhahhhhohahh View Post
A level 50 PvP bracket simply will not save the PvP in this game.

There is no logical explanation for having a PvP stat in this MMO game, or in fact any MMO game. The only possible reason for Expertise to exist in this game is to screw over people who cant grind it first.

Even if you did have a 50's only bracket, you'd be creating more problems than you're fixing. Aside from all the obvious queue time issues, the 50's bracket will suffer from the exact same problems we have now; the bracket will divided up into New 50's and Old 50's, ie. people who dont have their 10% Expertise bonus yet, and those that do.

But you might say, "Everyone will become an Old 50 eventually." and yes, they might. But then what would be the point in everyone having the same 10% Expertise bonus, when all it's going to do is cancel out everyone elses 10% Expertise bonus. The only outside issue there is that healing will still be 10% stronger, but if you wanted that why wouldn't you just lower the Trauma debuff by 10%?

It's honestly unimaginable to even begin to hope to understand what anyone was thinking when they thought putting Expertise into the game would be a good idea.


Removing the stat doesn't mean PvP Gear has to go, the point of PvP Gear/Experience/Credits in the first place is so that people who want an alternative to PvE can still progress. There all kinds of stats in this game that mean you could make all kinds of PvP Gear Sets, whether they are Purple or Mods, so people can look however they want to, or however you want them to look, and they can mix and match all these different pieces of gear to whatever their hearts desire. To give you an idea of the combinations of gear that could be possible:

- Primary Stat
- Endurance
  • Crit Rating
  • Surge
  • Alacrity
  • Power

Now reverse the Primary Stat and Endurance, so that Endurance is the bigger of the two and look how much choice you have... something for everyone, even. Now when you're 50 and you arent bolstered anymore, you can decide which stat you want more of, in return for lower stats on other stuff, or you can even decide to have an equal balance.

A crazy thing, having a choice, isn't it? Like choosing to have Fun over Frustration. Or choosing to resubscribe... or perhaps not.



I'm not even mad.
U need to L2P instead of making post this long.

I hit 50 3 days ago and i have no trouble at all in PvP. Im not as good as others but neither are raiders when they first start out.

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Holyhood
01.24.2012 , 07:32 PM | #1138
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
Just someone who knows a thing or two about competitive PVP.

But please continue to show us your epeen its rather funny kiddo!
Yeah a thing or two. Yet you hide behind a faceless avatar and a no-name handle. RIGHTO.

If people like you who say they actually know things about PvP then you would know there is a gear cap. Always.

Right now, its battlemaster. Not hard to get.

But do, please... keep crying about things you "know so much about".
Xin - Battlemaster Marauder - Empire - Crucible Pits

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Razot
01.24.2012 , 07:35 PM | #1139
Quote: Originally Posted by Holyhood View Post
Yeah a thing or two. Yet you hide behind a faceless avatar and a no-name handle. RIGHTO.

If people like you who say they actually know things about PvP then you would know there is a gear cap. Always.

Right now, its battlemaster. Not hard to get.

But do, please... keep crying about things you "know so much about".
Im only worried about my food supply.

I only have an interest in world PVP, having a pvp only stat will kill world PVP before its even fixed wich makes me a bit sad.

I come from 6 years of EVE brah anonymity is my friend..

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Incursuss
01.24.2012 , 07:39 PM | #1140
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
Im only worried about my food supply.

I only have an interest in world PVP, having a pvp only stat will kill world PVP before its even fixed wich makes me a bit sad.

I come from 6 years of EVE brah anonymity is my friend..
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