The Expertise stat has to go...

I'm glad we're getting on the same page, and you are correct. Here's the thing, though. PvP is vs other People. Generally those of us who enjoy it, enjoy the thrill and excitement that brings us.

With the Ward system, from the start we can hop in and play against other people in a competitive and challenging scene, regardless of what else those other people do in game.

For the PvE scene, you have to progress. That's it. That's how it would be with the Ward system, and that's how it is right now without it. The challenge comes from defeating content, getting it on farm, and then moving to the next. Fighting your way through that content is part of the fun.

What I'm trying to say is, at least with the Ward system we could potentially have more people competitively PvP'ing than we do right now. Because anyone can hop in, and enjoy the PvP at a competitive level. That's not a bad thing in my opinion.

PvP'ers can still have an advantage since the PvP gear will be slightly more PvP-centric. It just isn't the advantage the expertise is currently.

Realm Abilities can also add a nice incentive, as I mentioned in my previous post.

that's not the same page man, in the ward system what is the incentive to just purely pvp? there is none, it's just better to pve...if you only pvped you'd just limit yourself from part of the game for absolutely no reason at all.

new player: hmm if i pved i can do both pvp and pve, but if i only pvp then i can only really just pvp....because if i wanted to pve later on i'd have to start from the beginning anyways.

Yeah i've been saying this since launch and i agree with the OP. The expertise stat doesn't really accomplish anything, and only has detrimental effects for anybody else trying to PvP.

If you removed the PvP stat then everybody would be on the same playing field right from the start, rather than waiting for everybody to gear up to battlemaster before they get evenly matched. Regular stats on gear can still give an edge over the people who are in greens, and this would allow people to matched up with lower levels again without being godlike in damage mitigation.

People would still strive for PvP gear as long as it looks unique and ****** and had a stat progression similar to PvE gear. Looks is something people always strive to get in MMOs, and keeping PvP gear looking unique even after expertise is removed ensures people are going to continue to PvP to acquire it. This also lets people know who PvPs a lot and who doesn't. There aren't any negative effects from this.

So really in the end all expertise does is make it impossible for anybody without PvP gear to have a fair chance in PVP, which basically just rewards people who got to 50 earliest. The inflation in damage output and mitigation from expertise hurts the PvP game more than it helps the player. Removing this stat will only have beneficial effects on the community.

That's why everyone should be bolstered to equal EVERYTHING in warzones. Gear shouldn't help stats in PvP.

So Pretend you just dinged 50 and you are doing some PVP on what you refer to as equal playing terms. I happen to rock up in Full Rakata and utterly destroy you ...

What do you call that? Its exactly the same thing!!!!

PVP for PVP Gear
PVE for PVE Gear

There is always going to be a different rate of gear progression for different people. Even without Expertise .... Therefore, there is always going to be people that are outgeared and getting destroyed ...

There is always going to be a different rate of gear progression for different people. Even without Expertise .... Therefore, there is always going to be people that are outgeared and getting destroyed ...

no what hes saying is EVERYONE regardless of gear ends up with the same stats, so that is SKILL based not gear based. Baddies do not want anything based on skill because they have no crutch to lean on then.

Yeah i've been saying this since launch and i agree with the OP. The expertise stat doesn't really accomplish anything, and only has detrimental effects for anybody else trying to PvP.

If you removed the PvP stat then everybody would be on the same playing field right from the start, rather than waiting for everybody to gear up to battlemaster before they get evenly matched. Regular stats on gear can still give an edge over the people who are in greens, and this would allow people to matched up with lower levels again without being godlike in damage mitigation.

People would still strive for PvP gear as long as it looks unique and ****** and had a stat progression similar to PvE gear. Looks is something people always strive to get in MMOs, and keeping PvP gear looking unique even after expertise is removed ensures people are going to continue to PvP to acquire it. This also lets people know who PvPs a lot and who doesn't. There aren't any negative effects from this.

So really in the end all expertise does is make it impossible for anybody without PvP gear to have a fair chance in PVP, which basically just rewards people who got to 50 earliest. The inflation in damage output and mitigation from expertise hurts the PvP game more than it helps the player. Removing this stat will only have beneficial effects on the community.

Yeah I said it....^
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