The Expertise stat has to go...

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The Expertise stat has to go...

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Kyrinic

01.24.2012 , 06:42 PM \| #1111
Quote: Originally Posted by Vrumpt Yeah i've been saying this since launch and i agree with the OP. The expertise stat doesn't really accomplish anything, and only has detrimental effects for anybody else trying to PvP. If you removed the PvP stat then everybody would be on the same playing field right from the start, rather than waiting for everybody to gear up to battlemaster before they get evenly matched. Regular stats on gear can still give an edge over the people who are in greens, and this would allow people to matched up with lower levels again without being godlike in damage mitigation. People would still strive for PvP gear as long as it looks unique and ****** and had a stat progression similar to PvE gear. Looks is something people always strive to get in MMOs, and keeping PvP gear looking unique even after expertise is removed ensures people are going to continue to PvP to acquire it. This also lets people know who PvPs a lot and who doesn't. There aren't any negative effects from this. So really in the end all expertise does is make it impossible for anybody without PvP gear to have a fair chance in PVP, which basically just rewards people who got to 50 earliest. The inflation in damage output and mitigation from expertise hurts the PvP game more than it helps the player. Removing this stat will only have beneficial effects on the community. PVP to get PVP gear to help in PVP PVE to get PVE gear to help in PVE. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Emtom

01.24.2012 , 06:44 PM \| #1112
^^^^^ exactly
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Avindra

01.24.2012 , 06:45 PM \| #1113
Quote: Originally Posted by Shardsy Because you just bought the game or leveled a new character? Derp? You claimed that after 3months of HM FPs that you would still have noob gear.

KOTOR-LOVER

01.24.2012 , 06:45 PM \| #1114
Quote: Originally Posted by Junebugs Ok tell me some gear that you need to win to get? There is none therefore everyone can obtain the gear with effort so still what you are saying is irrelevant But that's not fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who finds that fun!?!?! It's just like their setting up a barrier before everyone can be equal! And a very high barrier that takes an insanely long amount of time spent playing to get over it! Who actually thinks it's more fun to grind than it is to actually be able to compete? No one? You grind to get the best gear to make it harder for others to grind and get on equal level. It's like you're picking on the little guy. Bioware, in a snese, and every other MMO should make everyone the same size (not necessarily the SAME, but at least the same stats)!
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StealthStalker

01.24.2012 , 06:45 PM \| #1115
Quote: Originally Posted by shaidarlol here is another way of saying this, in the ward system, it's just better to pve because then you can do both pve and pvp, however if you want to just pvp then maybe get some pve done you are screwed. I'm glad we're getting on the same page, and you are correct. Here's the thing, though. PvP is vs other People. Generally those of us who enjoy it, enjoy the thrill and excitement that brings us. With the Ward system, from the start we can hop in and play against other people in a competitive and challenging scene, regardless of what else those other people do in game. For the PvE scene, you have to progress. That's it. That's how it would be with the Ward system, and that's how it is right now without it. The challenge comes from defeating content, getting it on farm, and then moving to the next. Fighting your way through that content is part of the fun. What I'm trying to say is, at least with the Ward system we could potentially have more people competitively PvP'ing than we do right now. Because anyone can hop in, and enjoy the PvP at a competitive level. That's not a bad thing in my opinion. PvP'ers can still have an advantage since the PvP gear will be slightly more PvP-centric. It just isn't the advantage the expertise is currently. Realm Abilities can also add a nice incentive, as I mentioned in my previous post.
Dual Targeting, any AAA MMO released today should have this included. Don't let your next one release without it. Quote: So what exactly is Dual Targeting? You have 2 targets available at all times, one offensive and one defensive. That's it, it's that simple.

Kyrinic

01.24.2012 , 06:46 PM \| #1116
You do not have to finish with the most kills in a warzone to get champion bags. You can get them via team wins or ilum quests. /discussion. There is nothing preventing a new 50 from getting the gear. This is nothing but PVE carebears wanting to roll people in PVP.

Holyhood

01.24.2012 , 06:46 PM \| #1117
so many carebear PvErs...
Xin - Battlemaster Marauder - Empire - Crucible Pits

shaidarlol

01.24.2012 , 06:50 PM \| #1118
this is getting so tiresome, every fresh 50 thinks without expertise pvp would be sooo even. WRONG nerds, raid geared players will still exist and they will be around to eat you alive.

StealthStalker

01.24.2012 , 06:51 PM \| #1119
Quote: Originally Posted by shaidarlol this is getting so tiresome, every fresh 50 thinks without expertise pvp would be sooo even. WRONG nerds, raid geared players will still exist and they will be around to eat you alive. Not with Wards! Or something...
Dual Targeting, any AAA MMO released today should have this included. Don't let your next one release without it. Quote: So what exactly is Dual Targeting? You have 2 targets available at all times, one offensive and one defensive. That's it, it's that simple.

KOTOR-LOVER

01.24.2012 , 06:52 PM \| #1120
Quote: Originally Posted by shaidarlol this is getting so tiresome, every fresh 50 thinks without expertise pvp would be sooo even. WRONG nerds, raid geared players will still exist and they will be around to eat you alive. That's why everyone should be bolstered to equal EVERYTHING in warzones. Gear shouldn't help stats in PvP.
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