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Premades.. Seriously?

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Premades.. Seriously?

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Caliban_Thule
01.24.2012 , 04:26 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Maniigoldo View Post
Its not just premades lol......
what about if the other team is full of heal spec sages-troopers vs a team with one heal or 2? its already lost from the begining...
Started a game with 6 warriors the other day.

Yeah our team lost...bad

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Scoobings
01.24.2012 , 04:27 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Quinlynn View Post
Same could be said for the pre-made groups themselves.

I que solo all the time and I think my gmae is better for it.

I don't need anyone else to wipe for me.

I fail to understand what is fun about premades rolling PUGs either. I guess my ego doesn't need that much stroking.

IMHO
Agreed, I see no difference between rolling premades and using groups as a crutch and Rolling pubs in Ilum and using the massive numbers as an advantage. Somehow, one is a serious problem and the other is just fine and I should adjust my game play to fit theirs.

Interesting.
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Tirithius
01.24.2012 , 04:27 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by maradigamer View Post
Good pugs do work together. Won quite a few matches in good pugs against pugs that were also somewhat organized on the other side. The problem is, getting stomped most of the time no matter what you do makes players give up before they start and go looking for easy kills instead. Or hide in a corner. Neither of which is really fun or helps us win games. Well, sometimes farming kills is fun, but it's more fun to win.
Good PUGS are the exceptions that prove the rule.

This is beginning to remind me of RIFT.
"Faith in what?" he asked himself, adrift in limbo.
"Faith in faith," he replied. "It isn't necessary to have something to believe in. It's only necessary to believe that somewhere there's something worthy of belief."

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Slackfumasta
01.24.2012 , 04:29 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by VertisReaper View Post
why its like this in every mmo ever made
Incorrect. WoW learned this already; premades rolling pugs is not good for the game. Premades should face premades.

The only reason premades don't want this is because they actually form premades to stomp pugs for easy rewards, not for the challenge. You can see it in this thread, people telling you to play better, or form your own premade, etc etc. These guys aren't real pvpers, they are scrubs who don't want to work for their reward.

BW will learn, just as Blizzard did, that premades need to be forced to face other premades. This will weed out the real team pvpers from the ones who just want easy gear.

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maradigamer
01.24.2012 , 04:30 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Tirithius View Post
Good PUGS are the exceptions that prove the rule.

This is beginning to remind me of RIFT.

Well, the more the pug players get wiped with no hope of winning, the worse they will become, again, because they'll give up before they start. But for example, yesterday, I was in quite a few good pugs. And today, I've been against really nasty premades pitted against our short bus teams again. Alt-f4, now I'm on the forum instead of in game. Not good for Bioware.

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Scoobings
01.24.2012 , 04:30 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Slackfumasta View Post
Incorrect. WoW learned this already; premades rolling pugs is not good for the game. Premades should face premades.

The only reason premades don't want this is because they actually form premades to stomp pugs for easy rewards, not for the challenge. You can see it in this thread, people telling you to play better, or form your own premade, etc etc. These guys aren't real pvpers, they are scrubs who don't want to work for their reward.

BW will learn, just as Blizzard did, that premades need to be forced to face other premades. This will weed out the real team pvpers from the ones who just want easy gear.
If I could give stars to replies I would.
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maradigamer
01.24.2012 , 04:31 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Slackfumasta View Post
Incorrect. WoW learned this already; premades rolling pugs is not good for the game. Premades should face premades.

The only reason premades don't want this is because they actually form premades to stomp pugs for easy rewards, not for the challenge. You can see it in this thread, people telling you to play better, or form your own premade, etc etc. These guys aren't real pvpers, they are scrubs who don't want to work for their reward.

BW will learn, just as Blizzard did, that premades need to be forced to face other premades. This will weed out the real team pvpers from the ones who just want easy gear.
What WoW did you play? The one I played had premades sync-queue into the regular queues and roll us all day. Most matches ended in the graveyard, with our side getting farmed. I played both factions, too, before you ask. It was the same way on both sides.

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Kyrinic
01.24.2012 , 04:34 PM | #58
By premade they mean "4 of the people on that team queued together".

I win plenty of games when I go full PUG. If you get ****** teammates it the nature of online multiplayer.

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Scoobings
01.24.2012 , 04:34 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by maradigamer View Post
What WoW did you play? The one I played had premades sync-queue into the regular queues and roll us all day. Most matches ended in the graveyard, with our side getting farmed. I played both factions, too, before you ask. It was the same way on both sides.
Totally, but this game doesn't have mods. There was a lovely period in WoW where for about a year there was nothing like sync-que and premades were in their own que. Plenty of other games also function this way.
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Scoobings
01.24.2012 , 04:36 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyrinic View Post
By premade they mean "4 of the people on that team queued together".

I win plenty of games when I go full PUG. If you get ****** teammates it the nature of online multiplayer.
Totally, and I fully expect to get crap teammates. The problem is that a group of 4 working together when the other team is derping is exponentially more devestating in a heavily team based game like huttball. It's very easy for a group that even gets the advantage of VOIP to take over.
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