The Expertise stat has to go...

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The Expertise stat has to go...

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LanceUpercutt

01.24.2012 , 03:12 PM \| #1041
Quote: Originally Posted by Welve and I am saying you are wrong because with chamption gear I get the stats from purples that are much better than leveling blues and greens AND the expertise that further augments me in PVP with 10%+ more damage dealt and 10%+ less damage taken i dont understand why you are comparing blues and greens, the columni gear is also going to be much better then your blues and greens

Darth_Vampirius

01.24.2012 , 03:12 PM \| #1042
Quote: Originally Posted by Husanak What do Wow and Rift have in common seeing as some one else mentioned the names.... They both have extremely low new PvP player uptake. Getting people to enter PvP in those games and stick with it long enough to be on par gear wise (Or close enough to be competitive) simply doesn't happen, at a rate that replaces outgoing players. Both of those games have PvP communities that loose members faster then they replace them with new Ex PvE Playing converts. The PvP stats make it VERY VERY hard to introduce new players to the fantastic world of PvP that we all get. I think most of us will grind on alts when we have too ect... because we are already hooked. There was a time when every one of us was not a PVP player... admit it none of us came to PvP first. The bracketing that PvP stats creates drives away growth. It will become a problem for TOR in the future as well. If this were true, then nobody would be PVPing in those games. It's completely false.
Quote: //We have seen the argument of Skill vs. Gear throughout the existence of MMO PvP and we are of the opinion both are good for an RPG, falling on one side of the scale (gear has no purpose in PvP vs. gear is the only thing that matters in PvP) is not desirable.//

Welve

01.24.2012 , 03:12 PM \| #1043
Quote: Originally Posted by Junebugs Why do you think im in the forums? Game is boring at 50 you dont have to be anywhere near a decent player to get gear that is terrible Edit: But that doesnt mean expertise needs to be removed how many times have I said that removal is not my goal, but rather a massive scaling back, something like 50% less effective if you make PVP gear less game breaking you are free to make winning PVP more rewarding and losing more punishing.

Junebugs

01.24.2012 , 03:14 PM \| #1044
Quote: Originally Posted by Welve how many times have I said that removal is not my goal, but rather a massive scaling back, something like 50% less effective if you make PVP gear less game breaking you are free to make winning PVP more rewarding and losing more punishing. But how will that in any way fix the problem with terribads having the best gear?

Welve

01.24.2012 , 03:14 PM \| #1045
Quote: Originally Posted by LanceUpercutt i dont understand why you are comparing blues and greens, the columni gear is also going to be much better then your blues and greens and you are being deliberately obstinate, reread what I have posted, I have explained the difference of why people in champion gear is much more broken than columni

LanceUpercutt

01.24.2012 , 03:15 PM \| #1046
Quote: Originally Posted by Welve how many times have I said that removal is not my goal, but rather a massive scaling back, something like 50% less effective if you make PVP gear less game breaking you are free to make winning PVP more rewarding and losing more punishing. thing is they have to keep pvp gear and pve gear relatively close, and if you scale back pve gear how are they going to keep making more difficult content?

shaidarlol

01.24.2012 , 03:16 PM \| #1047
Quote: Originally Posted by BDutch On http://www.swtor.com/server-status I count: PvE/RP-PVE: 124 PvP/RP-PVP: 88 That is not almost twice, nor the "vast majority". That's besides the point though. You're supporting a system that guards PvP against PvE gear, (held by PvE players), while pointing out that the same PvP reward system provides incentive for PvE players... that doesn't make sense to me. 124 vs 88 ... clearly the majority, you are just splitting hairs at this point. and i don't know what guarding pvp gear against pve gear even means. pve has their own progression pvp has their own progression yes a fresh 50 is going to suck vs pvp geared 50 just like a fresh 50 is going to suck in raids vs a pve geared 50 in raids. what is the difference? the only difference would be what type of content a player wants to see. some prefer only pve, some only want pvp, while others want to do both. if you remove expertise it will basically force all the pvpers to pve for gear to compete like wise if you make gear all the same the pvers will complain about the pvpers that got the same gear as pvers and come in raids when they haven't even done any raid progression. it's 2 systems everyone should stop trying to splice it into 1. in either systems a fresh 50 will still get slaughtered vs a pve/pvp geared person nothing changes but a whole new complaint system.

LanceUpercutt

01.24.2012 , 03:16 PM \| #1048
Quote: Originally Posted by Welve and you are being deliberately obstinate, reread what I have posted, I have explained the difference of why people in champion gear is much more broken than columni .. i did and im saying your ignorant to how similar columni and pvp gear are, both in pvp and in pve

LanceUpercutt

01.24.2012 , 03:17 PM \| #1049
Quote: Originally Posted by shaidarlol yes a fresh 50 is going to suck vs pvp geared 50 just like a fresh 50 is going to suck in raids vs a pve geared 50 in raids. what is the difference? the only difference would be what type of content a player wants to see. some prefer only pve, some only want pvp, while others want to do both. if you remove expertise it will basically force all the pvpers to pve for gear to compete like wise if you make gear all the same the pvers will complain about the pvpers that got the same gear as pvers and come in raids when they haven't even done any raid progression. it's 2 systems everyone should stop trying to splice it into 1. in either systems a fresh 50 will still get slaughtered vs a pve/pvp geared person nothing changes but a whole new complaint system. This ^

Welve

01.24.2012 , 03:17 PM \| #1050
Quote: Originally Posted by Junebugs But how will that in any way fix the problem with terribads having the best gear? the goose is already cooked for the first batch of people to hit 50 and get rewarded just for existing in a PVP game, but it doesn't mean that it shouldn't change in the future for newer players honestly, if you want retroactive change, you aren't going to get it but a new system that rewards winners based on skill by de-emphasizing gear is better and more entertaining for the future of the game

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