The Expertise stat has to go...

yes except in PVP there is a person on the other end that you are damaging

in PVE it is a computer and you are a player

satisfaction is a 1-way street in PVE and 2-way in PVP

what is the main problem people have with expertise? do they feel it gives to much of an advantage over non geared players? because the problem will still exist with raid gear

I am saying, remove progressive gear completely, have gear sets that are unlocked at certain valor levels, that are cosmetic only, that way as you progress you can get better looking gear , BUT still have the challenge of equal pvp, not OMG BBQ *** GEAR HAX pvp. Expertise by its nature unbalances PvP. you will NEVER have any glimpse of balance in this game with a stat that reduces/improves a players damage taken/damage put out.

that doesn't mean it is a good system, the status quo is not always the best

DCUO was great except the combat could be exploited in some extremely serious ways and it ruined the game. I had fun in that though, leveling was cool

in dark age of camelot, I can get geared in like 2 days and be ready to PVP, a week at the max and while I am disadvantaged as a new 50, I am not instantly gibbed or at least not more than anyone else...same with games like UO and even, to some extent, EVE so long as you had the ship

There is no competitive PvP scene to getting gear anyone can obtain it with time so everything you said is irrelevant skill is not needed to obtain it so point still applies since you say someone stats are better than yours you say remove the stat

yes but a 5-10% gap in stats alone is better than a 5-10% gap in stats AND a 15% gap in expertise that makes people take less damage and do more...

it is WAY too much as is

Couldnt agree more.

no competitive PVP scene? isn't all PVP competitve? one side versus another, may the best team win, it is all a competition

skill is needed until the element of OH THIS GUY HAS LOGGED MORE HOURS THAN YOU -> HIS GEAR IS BETTER -> HE IS OBVIOUSLY BETTER -> HE WINS

The difference is that someone who just hit 50 is not forced to right away tackle hardest PVE content. They are not forced to participate at the same level as that geared 50. Instead they can progress up the PVE ladder at their own pace, gearing themselves and tackling harder encounters as they do. In PVP they don't have that choice, they are forced to go up against "hardest" PVP encounters immediately, i.e. people already decked out in BM gear. The problem will only get worse with time. A year from now a fresh 50 will enter a WZ where 90% of his oponents will be wearing Warlord gear. The stats themselves already create enough of a discrepency, adding expertise on top of it is just plain stupid. Removing expertise and equalizing PVP and PVE gear would give a fresh 50 an option of gearing themselves through other means.

not really, because while pvp gear provides that expertise bonus it has less stats than raid gear

the difference between columni and champion gear in pvp and pve is insignificant