Lets face it WOW pvp > SWTOR pvp

Did you just....quote to and insult yourself?

Again gear doesnt make PvP the gameplay/combat in WoW was better even in vanila cause of responsiveness and not having EVERYTHING tied in with animation

wrong quote lol,and u know i suck at DF too but i still played it and enjoed it.since i had total freedom.

Arena's were a big factor in me leaving WoW, couldn't get over the fact that they made 2v2 3v3 and 5v5 the centralized focus of pvp.

Nothing at all MASSIVE about 5v5.

Personally, MMO PvP should be as large as the game engine can handle, but again, this is my own opinion.

Not saying there SHOULDN'T be small-scale arena-based PvP, but it should be a diversion to, rather than the focus of MMO PvP.

The first post was pretty vague to be honest.

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WoW- WSG for years has been won by druids, sometimes shammies and recently mages- the point of the game is to avoid pvp and run.
Twin Peaks- is WSG
AB- basically Alderaan with more points... meaning if you defend a point chances are you won't see pvp that game unless you're at Blacksmith and Lumber Mill
Gilneas- AB clone, but with 3 points you do get pvp so it's actually decent
AV- at one point AV was the crown jewel of pvp- it could last days, there were things you could summon if you took enough resources- it felt almost like playing an RTS game where you were a minion.... unfortunately, that's a distant past. It is now the worst pvp- a game of running away from pvp and racing to the boss.
IoC- I actually like IoC cuz you can get a good game in it... unfortunately, most of the time people do it wrong and it ends up not being so good. Also, due to one zerg going one way and another the other- it again became a joke where pvp was discouraged
SoA- another match that is about running and crowd control over pvp
EotS- WSG mixed with AB, actually one of the few decent ones

At this point, only two of the BGs actually encourage pvp.

SWTOR- Alderaan- 3 nodes, pretty easy to reach from each other, makes for fighting almost all the time
Voidstar- rush mode, but in a small enough space that it's only a couple seconds from one objective to the other- again, makes for fighting the whole time
Huttball- it's about running the ball, or in many cases, passing/jumping- but requires very good team work in passes, and is in a small area so fighting always occurs.


Now- mechanics.

WoW- almost no gain for even being near combat, zero gain for actually doing anything
TOR- medals that give considerable bonuses for healing, damage and tanking

I haven't done Ilum yet
World PvP for WoW- Wintergrasp- was awesome, best thing in Wrath
TB- was terrible, was basically just AB with a bigger group, was pretty much nothing other than zerg zerg zerg. After WG, was a simple game with nothing to it, and a huge step back.


That doesn't even get into WoW imbalances and how OP resistance gear was and how out of reach it was for average players- at least expertise gear is in reach.

I also hate WoW for nerfing certain classes into uselessness, and for having year old game breaking bugs like the hunter pet getting one shot when spawned, or, having hunter CC break being the only CC ever that you can CC them into not being able to use it with the exact CC that it breaks.

they should just copy AV BG and paste it pver Ilum

Frost Shock Frost Shock Quadruple Crit Windfurry! Mad skillz!

Before and after TBC, pvp was great, with WOTLK and Cata... no, pvp blows.

Ilum should be a capture the flag zone, not that easy to "trade wins" with that, is it?

Did i ever say it was better in combat/gameplay?
All i said was that atleast you could look forward to some gear. Geez.