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Sorc/Sages mitigate more damage than tanks.

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Sorc/Sages mitigate more damage than tanks.

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JefferyClark
01.24.2012 , 12:58 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
Armor mitigates almost everything in this game. The common mistake people make is thinking lightning bypasses armor. It does not, because lightnign is energy damage, not elemental damage. Armor-bypassing attacks are very rare in PvP.
Then explain how a lightning attack does the same damage whether I wear my armor or not. Don't believe me, roll a Jedi Guardian to 50, get a friend to roll a Sorc and go to Tatooine and test for yourself.

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Ahhmyface
01.24.2012 , 12:59 PM | #42
I'll chime in on this.

I'm a 550 expertise 54 valor 400 biochem sin. I can kill tanks easier than a good sorc/sage. Just saying.
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EternalFinality
01.24.2012 , 12:59 PM | #43
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Well, if you think of a shield as just another heal instead of "mitigation" then I don't see what the problem is. It's on a cooldown and it only absorbs something like 2500 damage. There is nothing terribly OP about that.
It can be preloaded, and is instant. And protects against other things too.

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jizerai
01.24.2012 , 01:01 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
Actually I think what happens is that since there are so many SI characters, people just see the 6 'lightning' icons and add the top stats of each category together, so you're taking the top stats of say 4 Sorcerers + 2 Assassins, and yeah, that'd definitely be pretty formidable seeing a guy doing 400K DPS, 400K healed, and 100K protection even though it's actually 3 different guys' stats.
As a decent geared Sorcerer (missing two pieces of Champion gear), in a hybrid-spec, I usually do around 200-300k damage and 100-150k healing. In healing spec, those numbers are pretty much reversed.

There is nothing that "OP" about it if you ask me. I've seen people do a ton more of damage and healing for that matter. The Shield drops very fast if we are focused - and so do we.

In conclusion. Yes. You might just be right.
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Posixgod
01.24.2012 , 01:02 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by ericdjobs View Post
I don't get it. A *DPS* spec'd sorc/sage can mitigate more damage done to them than a tank in PVP with the way shields currently scale.

Why is this? Why is a sorc/sage practically unkillable while my tank melts in a matter of seconds? Why are sorc/sages able to tank in PVP better than actual tanks?

The way the shield scales is crazy at the moment. Seriously. Something has to give. Either nerf it or make it a talent in the healing tree high up.


There's absolutely no reason that the 'glass cannon' should be mitigating more damage than a tank in PVP. With shields, sorc/sages can mitigate up to 15k damage vs a single person, in a single fight (multiple shields). When you see 3 dps unable to kill a sorc, yet the same 3 dps can drop your tank in under 4 seconds.. well; something is wrong.

All this on the class with the highest mobility in the game, the most group utility, some of the highest healing and high damage.

See the problem here? They get the best of ALL THREE WORLDS.

They mitigate massive damage like tanks.
They heal AMAZING amounts like healers.(I see sorcs regularly get 300-400k healing, no other class comes close)
They go AMAZING dps like DPS.

They are the holy trinity all in one (in pvp)

On top of aoe knockbacks, friendly pulls, etc etc etc...and people wonder why there's so many? Want to tank in PVP? Roll a sorc. Want to heal in PVP? Roll a sorc. Want to DPS in PVP?.............roll a sorc

come on this is seriously ridiculous
You're wrong, also, DPS spec'd healing as a sorc is a JOKE, it's not viable at all...

If you fought someone Spec'd as a HEALER, i'd expect you to have a little more difficult of a time. Saying sorc's mitigate damage period is just plain ridiculous.

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Raque
01.24.2012 , 01:02 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Loxion View Post
I agree, guard is great.

Knockbacks? What knockbacks, as a 50 Vanguard I don't have any.

I admit, I only have one peice of expertise gear at the moment and that does make a big difference, but I am nowhere near 'indestructable' and I don't expect to be, but would like to have more suvivability than a Commando for example.

What talent spec?
I said tanks in general, not Vanguards.

Once you gear up, you will be near indestructible.

I can honestly say that as a Sorcerer, I do not think I could kill a well played tank 1v1 in any BG, why? Simply it would tank me so long that I am sure help from one side or the other will show up to help finish the job.

Your armor significantly mitigates all but 2 of my abilities (Affliction & Death Field) and along with your debuffs will lower my DPS so we will end up doing about the same DPS to each other. With my bubble we have similar health pools. So unless I can successfully kite the tank (which would mean the tank is simply bad) the person with the least abilities on cool down is the one with the advantage.

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Payneintherear
01.24.2012 , 01:04 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by EternalFinality View Post
And protects against other things too.
The one good thing about the shield is that it protects you against ignorance. People ave not believed me in the past, so I told them to roll the class and see for themselves.

Sure enough they have been much more educated since they acquired "the bubble of doom" and have yet to whine about it being too good...in fact, they think the internal CD is too long.

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Raque
01.24.2012 , 01:04 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by JefferyClark View Post
Ummm... heavy armor doesn't mitigate anything but someone whacking us with a lightsaber or other blunt object or someone using regular old autofire blaster shots....... I WISH our armor/shield combo could mitigate 3-4k damage every 20 seconds! Seriously, your Sorc lightning hits for the same whether I am wearing my armor/shield or not.
Learn your class.

Your armor mitigates everything I can do except Affliction, a slow 18 second DoT and the Death Field AoE. All other damage a Sorc does is either Energy or Kinetic.

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Balmuck
01.24.2012 , 01:05 PM | #49
I wish my **** absorbed 15k...

Guess the grass is always greener on the other side. I dare you to get a Sage or a Sorc to 50 and back up those claims.
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CounterfeitBubba
01.24.2012 , 01:06 PM | #50
I so hate people who yell and scream for nerfs.

The better sokution is to ask for buffs to your class or others to compensate.

Nerfs only hurt the game but increasing other classes makes everyone happy.

Thank about it before you cry for nerfs.