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Sorc/Sages mitigate more damage than tanks.

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Sorc/Sages mitigate more damage than tanks.

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Loxion
01.24.2012 , 12:50 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Raque View Post
Are you crazy? Tanks are AWESOME in pvp in SWTOR! Sure they are not powerhouse DPSers or great healers, but really tanks shouldn't be.

They are indestructible support members. Tanks debuff targets so the DPS can kill them or debuff them so they do less DPS themselves. Guard itself is crazy OP. Harass healers with CC, knockbacks, interrupts, etc and you prevent them from doing their job. Prevent range from setting up and turretting locations.

A well played tank can turn the table on entire battles with their sheer amount of support they provide. In organized play they are simply outstanding!
I agree, guard is great.

Knockbacks? What knockbacks, as a 50 Vanguard I don't have any.

I admit, I only have one peice of expertise gear at the moment and that does make a big difference, but I am nowhere near 'indestructable' and I don't expect to be, but would like to have more suvivability than a Commando for example.

What talent spec?
Anything above is purely the opinion of the poster, unless otherwise stated

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OsirisZoran
01.24.2012 , 12:50 PM | #32
bad troll is bad
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mikroh
01.24.2012 , 12:51 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by ericdjobs View Post
I've seen countless warzones ending with (always) a sage/sorc sitting on 150-250k damage and 250-400k healing, on top of 75-100k protection, no other class even CLOSE. Sure, other classes will pump 300k damage, but no healing whatsoever.
Thanks for showing us you have no idea what you are talking about and are just making stuff up. A sorcerer will never have any protection points at the end of a match. I can see how you might be confused since Assassins have the same icon as Sorcerers, but believe it or not they are not the same AC.

Please stop spreading misinformation and actually backup your claims. Static barrier does not and never has given credit for protection on the scoreboard/medals. At the end of these matches where Sorcerers are getting any protection, screenshot the scoreboard. I would love to see any proof of your claims.

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Gleamscythe
01.24.2012 , 12:52 PM | #34
Okay, ffs how was this not been brought up... SORCS DON'T HAVE A MEANS OF PROVIDING PROTECTION! Their shield counts as healing, even if it is cast on others. I've never seen such a collection of a**hats spewing out "facts." Are sorcs/sages too good? Maybe. Are they too good because they're tanks? Hell no. They are horrible tanks and if focused are dropped extremely fast. Terrible trolls.

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Stabit
01.24.2012 , 12:52 PM | #35
I must be using the wrong shield. Wheres the one that lets me tank better then a tank and gives me protection medals in pvp? Maybe that was a collectors edition bonus?

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Proppa
01.24.2012 , 12:52 PM | #36
HAHA the OP has me in stitches. Have you never seen how long a geared out powertech lasts?????
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Republic : 50 Vanguard : 50 Sentinel : 50 Scoundrel : 17 Sage : The Shadow Runner

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JefferyClark
01.24.2012 , 12:52 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Raque View Post
Ya, thats it, I must be awful.

I never said anything about tank gear, but just gear in general as being naked is the ONLY way a tank would take more damage then a Sorc.

You realize our shield only mitigates 3-4k damage and can only be applied every 20 seconds (17 with 2 piece healer set bonus). As I wear cloth armor, the armor I wear mitigates very little unlike a tank's gear. I have ~15.5k ish health in my pvp gear and equally geared tanks are in the ~19k ish range so even with my shield we have about the same HP to death but I have no mitigation, no defensive cooldowns, and longer refresh timers on my control cooldowns.

You are crazy if you do not think tanks can mitigate more damage, especially with defensive cooldowns, and control they have they are crazy indestructible.
Ummm... heavy armor doesn't mitigate anything but someone whacking us with a lightsaber or other blunt object or someone using regular old autofire blaster shots....... I WISH our armor/shield combo could mitigate 3-4k damage every 20 seconds! Seriously, your Sorc lightning hits for the same whether I am wearing my armor/shield or not.

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Astarica
01.24.2012 , 12:53 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by mikroh View Post
Thanks for showing us you have no idea what you are talking about and are just making stuff up. A sorcerer will never have any protection points at the end of a match. I can see how you might be confused since Assassins have the same icon as Sorcerers, but believe it or not they are not the same AC.

Please stop spreading misinformation and actually backup your claims. Static barrier does not and never has given credit for protection on the scoreboard/medals. At the end of these matches where Sorcerers are getting any protection, screenshot the scoreboard. I would love to see any proof of your claims.
Actually I think what happens is that since there are so many SI characters, people just see the 6 'lightning' icons and add the top stats of each category together, so you're taking the top stats of say 4 Sorcerers + 2 Assassins, and yeah, that'd definitely be pretty formidable seeing a guy doing 400K DPS, 400K healed, and 100K protection even though it's actually 3 different guys' stats.

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Astarica
01.24.2012 , 12:54 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by JefferyClark View Post
Ummm... heavy armor doesn't mitigate anything but someone whacking us with a lightsaber or other blunt object or someone using regular old autofire blaster shots.......
Armor mitigates almost everything in this game. The common mistake people make is thinking lightning bypasses armor. It does not, because lightnign is energy damage, not elemental damage. Armor-bypassing attacks are very rare in PvP.

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Payneintherear
01.24.2012 , 12:57 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Gleamscythe View Post
Okay, ffs how was this not been brought up... SORCS DON'T HAVE A MEANS OF PROVIDING PROTECTION! Their shield counts as healing, even if it is cast on others. I've never seen such a collection of a**hats spewing out "facts." Are sorcs/sages too good? Maybe. Are they too good because they're tanks? Hell no. They are horrible tanks and if focused are dropped extremely fast. Terrible trolls.
Funny how nobody noticed that hes mixing up assassins and sorcs huh?

Best thread ever. Sorcs and Sages have GUARD! Nerf!