Arena

You should probably read the whole post.

Real PvP has everything Arena has and a whole lot more. That's it. Arena strips an encounter down to it's very basics leaving little left other than a dance of semantics hoping someone messes up. Lame.

Yeah, Blizzard didn't say arenas were bad for a game, but that they didn't design their game with arenas in mind, what they call e-sport. Bioware is in the same position, the game wasn't designed to be totally balanced player vs player...their PvP deals with large group encounters where that imbalance can be hidden more easily. When you go to arenas, the balance has to be razor sharp, or else there are complaints or worse, unplayability of most classes.

If Bioware could separate the two worlds, PvE abilites totally from Pvp, then arenas could be a lot of fun for those that enjoy that type of PvP. Unless they do that, it would be more trouble then it's worth.

I don't care what you think, but like i said games that start out with NO arena should'nt all the sudden just get it. And if they want to add that to other kids like YOU, they should at least don't destroy the game for others who DON'T like arena.
With that i mean the best gear titles etc, i pay to play this game, if such BIG changes need be done since you REALLY love it, ok fine! but don't let us other's suffer who enjoy the game the way it was made and are.....!

And i don't like you too, since you cannot understand people telling what they like and dislike, are you telling me to have a mind of your own, and your own opinion is wrong? oh well.
Also if you "SUFFER" as you put it, without arena, why did you join this game? i'm sure you KNEW it was no arena when you signed up? that just tells me how "smart" you are..
And crying about want to have arena, that is selfish to me! if this arena is such a big deal for many of you, why not go play a game who has arena?....

Interesting because the only reason my entire guild in WoW played past BC was because of arena, we are talking a guild of 200+ members btw. I'm sure my guild was not the only PVP/PVE guild that would have quit if not for arenas. When cata came out and ruined arena my entire guild broke up and disbanded, some of us are here in SWTOR while others are now playing league of legends etc.


I'm not sure if SWTOR has the fluidity for arena though, perhaps after this next patch.

There's a couple problems with Arenas in an MMO, WoW is the game in common with almost all MMO players, so I'll use that.

The problem with introducing an Arena system into an MMO environment is twofold, rewards and balance. One absolutely huge problem with the implementation of the WoW arena system was that when they had to balance skills and talents for the Arena, it completely screwed over the PvE half of the game. People that had been playing their class since launch, and had had a fairly steady rate of change with nothing game breaking coming down the pipe unexpectedly were completely blindsided by some of the changes made to accommodate the Arena junkies, abilities that worked fine in PvE one day, worked completely differently the next just to appease the whiners on the forums.

The second half of the issue is the gear. The introduction of Resilience (the stat didn't even get fixed until Cataclysm) and Arena gear into the PvP system, and Arena being the only way to acquire that gear pretty much killed all other forms of PvP in WoW over night. Many, many BG and W-PvP fans did not find the Arena system fun in any way, they thought it was watered down, boring and too repetitive. The problem was that the Arena junkies would gear themselves the hell out with all the stuff only available through the Arena system and then go into the BGs and out into the world and just curb stomp the players that didn't like the Arena system, this created a huge gear imbalance in the PvP scene in WoW. You either did the Arenas or you just sucked it up and got your *** kicked, there was no in between.

If BioWare could find a way around this, make Arena gear exactly the same stat-wise as the stuff from other forms of PvP, and make it so that balancing for the Arena junkies didn't completely screw up the rest of the game, Arena could work, but until that happens its just a terrible, terrible idea.

Oh so im a kid now?
1st part : So it starts out with no arena then it shouldnt all of a sudden get it? Thats a strange logic. You argument basicly is that if something isnt there to begin with it shouldnt come at a later point either.

2nd part: You dont know if it will DESTROY others game, in fact you dont have a flying clue. I never said they should copy/paste wow's arena systems, I suggest they look into some kinda system that separates pvp and pve - thats for the devs to work out.

3rd part: Cut the ''omg i paid for this'' arguement, cause a million others paid for the game as well - there are gonna come things in this game people like and other people dont like, and guess what Bioware wont double check with you before each update.

4th part: Gear & title. If you'd bothered reading my earlier posts I said that the same arguement could be used towards end game PvE.
Like they do now, pvp gear has pvp stats so it's not quite the same.

Tittles are relevant to content. Your whining over people having cool titles that doesnt make sence. If you want a cool title go make the things required to get the title. again the same argument could be used in end game PvE - Dragonslayer or what ever for killing some big draggon, and then you'd sit around in the fleet being annoyed that you dont have that title cause you dont raid.

Come on man..

you edited your post after i read it.

Like I said, in many ''real pvp'' situations theres too much clutter resulting in unorganization, effectively more of a ''mindless box'' than say 3v3 & 5v5.

How can you disputed that? To keep track of everyone on a big scale would require you to be autistic.

Well pointing out all YOU think is wrong with how i feel, and name calling = immature. So yes you're the kid.

Ive broken your post down objectively, proving most of your arguments as flawed and double standard. Thats not MY opinion.

Failure to realize that = narrowminded and unintelligent.

The only way arena could work in this game is this:

1. NEVER and i mean NEVER try to balance pvp and pve abilities.
2. You cant have fotm classes and unbeatable comps like rmp.
3. Make it so there is no gear/ratings disparity. In other words dont let high ranking teams fight fresh 50s under any circumstances.

Arena "could" work since classes are very balanced in this game but im skeptical after seeing wow's abomination of it.