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Swtor= dog on a chain?


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Nymaeria
01.23.2012 , 10:27 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Bowlan View Post
No, I'm not missing the point. What is so epic about deciding to do kill x, retrieve y, and kill z amount of mobs in a different location any different than the original place you started? All the quests, all the progression, all the leveling paths...whether you roll a gnome and go to darnassus, roll an orc and go to Taurus, ect...to level...its the exact same thing. There really isn't any freedom in the game, you are bound by what level you are as to where you go, and quite honestly, in some areas...you are forced to go to other areas due to lack of quests. Not exactly freedom in my book.
You ARE missing the point. OP was asking if the world was going to open up like WoW's or if it was going to stay on the same 1-track road the whole way. WoW has tracks, it's not "freedom" nor do I think many people are saying it is. The point that you are most definitely missing is that WoW has . . . let's say, 8 different tracks while SWTOR has 1.

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Daekarus
01.23.2012 , 10:27 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Sai-to View Post
I can go to Warzones and PvP whenever I want too in TOR... what's your point?

EVE is not a sandbox, it's an illusion of one. Until you have a ship powerful enough to survive... i.e. be High level. Just like all MMOs.


I played EVE for 2 years. Don't tell me what I know.
You must've missed a lot in your time there. Some people join nullsec corps right away and move out there for corp ops immediately. They can mine immediately, and PVP in groups immediately too. Will they be more effective as they get their fitting skills maxed? Of course. But really... to claim it's an illusion of a sandbox... by that standard, real life isn't a sandbox because you have some measure of progression even if you jump from place to place. Honestly...

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Minack
01.23.2012 , 10:28 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Surakis View Post
Yeah and you can go fight level 40 mobs at level 10 in this game. Doesn't mean it's a sandbox game.
The difference is that when I play TOR I have the feeling that I'm playing a single player game with co-op capability. The linear progression is so blatant I might as well be playing KoTOR. 90% of all content is developer driven as opposed to Eve's player driven. I compare Eve and galaxies to TOR because those are my most recent MMO experiences. I've never played wow so I can't really use that as a comparison. When I think of Sandbox, I think of player involvement/interaction. I've made peace with the fact that TOR isn't sandbox, but I didn't really expect it to be so in-your-face about it.

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SnoggyMack
01.23.2012 , 10:28 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Gleasia View Post
Does anyone else have this feeling like the game is controling them instead of you controlling the game??
I've never experienced that in this or any other video game I've ever played. That's a very strange, and I would think, creepy feeling. It would really unnerve me.
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BothanFourTwenty
01.23.2012 , 10:28 PM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by MrFailSauce View Post
That f***ing balloon to the datacron.
I love that balloon. I can't count how many Republic players have accepted duels with me just to get stunned then knocked off the thing lol.

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jarjarloves
01.23.2012 , 10:29 PM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Ansultares View Post
Hoth and Tatooine are two of the emptiest zones in this game.

Why do people keep praising them for being so large, when all that size is empty space? Across all of Hoth, only the Star of Coruscant is a notewothy landmark. On Tatooine? Can you name one landmark on Tatooine? The Sarlacc pit; you know, I didn't even see the pit, and I've got the whole damn map explored.

At least try to promote some of SWTOR's stronger zones.

They definitely could have. GW's %damage based system (I'm not familiar with it, only have heard reference of) would have been better suited to the multiplanet structure basically forced by the IP.
Outlaws Den, The Dune Sea and Anchorhead come to mind. Oh and the Sarlac Pit.

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Proto
01.23.2012 , 10:30 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Gleasia View Post
I am only lvl 13 or so but I just can't get into this game. I always have a feeling of being led like a dog on a chain because the worlds/quest enviroments are so linear. I always feel like I am being led down a tunnel, and at the end the next quest starts that will further lead me down another tunnel and maybe this one has a 90 degree turn. I dont have the feeling like I am in a world that I can go anywhere I please like in other mmorpgs I have played.

Does it get better at higher lvls? Should I stick with the game? Does anyone else have this feeling like the game is controling them instead of you controlling the game??

Thanks in advance for your feedback
It will also be like this for every character you create. Even if you go with a totally different class, the zones and NPC's you will talk to and the areas you'll go to are nearly identical besides voiceover. Even some of the quests are pretty much the same. It makes you wonder where the hell they spent all that money because if you take away 'star wars' and voice acting, you're left with a game that wouldn't even succeed if it was F2P.

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Ansultares
01.23.2012 , 10:34 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by BothanFourTwenty View Post
Most of Kalimdor is empty space as well. 60% of the area you NEVER even set foot on because the majority is just filler and not quest related at all. Unless of course you just WANT to run down past that line of trees because it may be a shortcut to where you are going. Just because it has trees everywhere and critters running around that does not equal content. So basically both games are exactly the same. I think we are all in agreement on that point.
Again, you may not have bothered, but there was content there.

Except for Azshara; release Azshara felt like so many SWTOR zones do.

For example, I'm a Night Elf; I can follow an all-elf quest line up and down Kalimdor. Or, if I rolled undead, it's all over northern eastern kingdoms. Humans? Southern eastern kingdoms, crossing over with some of that undead content in northern eastern kingdoms. Dwarves? Mostly along the eastern side of eastern kingdoms. Orcs and Tauren got lumped in somewhat, but Barrens was absolutely massive, plus it had Tanaris, which most alliance would skip.

Each of these had five plus zones, most of which you probably overlook because you probably took a fairly consistent path through the game as soon as you felt you could. You can say that SWTOR zones are bigger, but these zones had so many more quests, so many more interesting camps to clear through, and was far less punishing on explorers for having far fewer dead-ends (really it had practically no dead ends, but w/e).

Like I said, it wasn't until my fourth and fifth 60s that I even bothered to explore all this content that I had left ignored, that had been sitting there since release.

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Surakis
01.23.2012 , 10:37 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Ansultares View Post
Hoth and Tatooine are two of the emptiest zones in this game.

Why do people keep praising them for being so large, when all that size is empty space? Across all of Hoth, only the Star of Coruscant is a notewothy landmark. On Tatooine? Can you name one landmark on Tatooine? The Sarlacc pit; you know, I didn't even see the pit, and I've got the whole damn map explored.
You might have to turn the monitor back on while exploring then.

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Surakis
01.23.2012 , 10:39 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Minack View Post
The difference is that when I play TOR I have the feeling that I'm playing a single player game with co-op capability.
And that is what moving goal posts looks like. Crush a point being made and suddenly they're off to make another, irrelevant point.

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