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Gohlar

01.23.2012 , 10:25 PM \| #21	Quote
Arena is the lowest form of PvP. It throws people into a box and reduces PvP to a spreadsheet. It takes out so many parts of the equation. Nothing this basic should give rewards imo.

Sugarray

01.23.2012 , 10:28 PM \| #22	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Gohlar Arena is the lowest form of PvP. It throws people into a box and reduces PvP to a spreadsheet. It takes out so many parts of the equation. Nothing this basic should give rewards imo. If by lowest you mean highest and that it actually requires you to do more than mash your buttons, if you want rewards, then yes.

Pink_Saber

01.23.2012 , 10:29 PM \| #23	Quote
Asking for singles arena is just begging for massive nerfs. Please, no, never.

Gohlar

01.23.2012 , 10:31 PM \| #24	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Sugarray If by lowest you mean highest and that it actually requires you to do more than mash your buttons, if you want rewards, then yes. Ironic comment. Arena dumbs down PvP and turns into an exercise in semantics. Maybe that is why some people liked it I don't know. But it does dumb everything down considerably. I mean dumping people in front of each other? talk about mindless. It removes so much strategy of how and when to engage. I think the only people who really liked Arena are the ones who don't like to think on the fly. That's why you like having the same fights over and over and over and over. But no it isn't the highest, it is by far the simplest, the least skill dependent and the most pre-determined form of PvP ever made. Wasn't that the whole point of fighting in a box?

Vydor_HC

01.23.2012 , 10:32 PM \| #25	Quote
With Arenas come a myriad of balancing issues to prevent single setups being used over and over again. When you put that into an existing PvE game you add an more balancing issue to deal with, plus if you start nerfing classes to achieve more balance in the arena, you will enviably piss off your PvE players which is by far the biggest subset of the games base. Then if you don't balance for Arenas, you get stagnant play due to everyone playing the winning class makeups. So, if you could completely seperate the ability layout from PvP/Arena and PvE, then maybe you can have an arena in a PvE game, but unless you build it from the ground up that way, it's gonna do more harm than good to the game.

Explosive_Lasers

01.23.2012 , 10:32 PM \| #26	Quote
I'd be fine with arenas, even endorse them, on a few conditions: 1)Make a separate balance system for Arenas. So, instead of screwing with PvE, your abilities would do less/more damage/healing in an arena match. 2)Make everybody get the bolster buff, so each class has baseline stats and gear is worthless, making skill TRULY the main factor. 3)Make several group sizes, maybe even getting into a warzone sized team deathmatch. 4)Focus on making it fun, first and foremost. If the competition isn't fun, what's the point?
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dopebeats

01.23.2012 , 10:34 PM \| #27	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DEuZZ NO! if this game starts with arena's i'm out! i'm loving it's warzones and many vs many.. Wow died in pvp for me when arena crap started.....! To change a game that much specialy pvp is stupid ! IF there was to be arena, at least make it CHOICE! with that i mean that you can still do warzones and get BEST pvp gear, so it will not be like in wow you got FORCED to do arena since only there did you get best gear + titles etc... Wow started with only battlegrounds, and it was awesome then they failed with arena... Arena is as boring as playing chess, almost the same too. So i agree with the other's it destroyed wow, i mean come on? force a BAD pvp system on PAYING people? .... Lame .... And my wish is that it will stay as it is, just add mode warzones etc, i NEVER hope they start anything called "rated" and stuff, like "rated warzones" = ONLY premade and NO fun at all, at least not if you're not in a "pro" pvp guild etc... MEH..... This is why alot of people enjoyed arena's . It was like chess. While chess maybe boring to you, it is a game loved by many worldwide and is complete with rankings and whatnot, which is very similar to how wow's arena system does its rankings. Chess is a game where the better player will win a LARGE percentage of the time. There are very few random variables in chess so its hard to blame your losses on 'luck' or 'gear'. Bad players either quit or get better in chess, they cant complain about gear or random variables. The introduction of randomness to games makes them more fun for worse players and keeps them coming back while allowing skill to prove better in the longrun. Maybe we should introduce arenas that aren't mirrored and you flip a coin for sides or something. Or introduce maps that vastly favor certain classes/compositions so that bad players don't quit and skilled players can develop creative strategies.

Mackuss

01.23.2012 , 10:36 PM \| #28	Quote
OP, read this post please. It should end the thread. Areans are utterly toxic to MMOs because they destroy the integrity of any ambitions for the game. The second you insert arenas into MMOs, it is no longer a game with arena in it. It is now a game solely balanced by and for arena. Don't believe me? Listen to Blizzard http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/11/13/bl...ere-a-mistake/
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Noth

01.23.2012 , 10:37 PM \| #29	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by aimzzz Arena is more for the skilled players and competitive players so i guess because u thought arena destroyed WoW even though it made WoW into a MLG and was played for money etc, you must really suck and probably 1400 rated on WoW. Yes you can do warzones, just like rated battlegrounds and arena, you reach certain rating and can get gear from both but different titles etc, its perfectly fine Blizzard devs said their biggest mistake was the arenas. I'd consider a force of 300 that can hold off a force of 1000 a show of more skill than an arena match.
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genesiser

01.23.2012 , 10:38 PM \| #30	Quote
I myself never understood why mmos don't make a battleground that is just a team deathmatch type system where each team just fights until they get x number of kills. It's popular in fps games and I bet it'd be popular in mmos with pvp. I'd love it, I think it'd be fun. I mean, isn't that true player vs player combat? Why do bgs always have to have objectives other than just get x number of kills team combat?

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