The Expertise stat has to go...

I don't mind getting my rear kicked until i get enough to buy my gear it is a game so i will survive and eventually get my gear and then if i am getting my teeth kicked with the gear well then that's my own fault.

Hell yes,

This isn't my first time in PvP I rerolled Republic from a 50 near BM (pre patch) Empire player.

I know how to PvP I don't need to learn anything.

There is no amount of positioning in the world that will save me once a geared player sees me with my HP and gets a hard on because they know I have 0 expertise. I simply become a way for geared players to earn there 5k damage medal.

It's not fun getting dominated where no amount of skill would save you. Rather just AFK at a point and watch TV.

A blue PvP set that costs commendations would be earned btw. If it costs several thousand commendations you would have to PvP a lot to earn them.

So instead of having fresh 50 players with respectable expertise who could actually contribute to your team winning you want them to be ****** geared free kills for geared players as a way to "learn" PvP. Also having to PvP pre 50 just helps players learn the game too which counters another one of your points but whatever.

Your idea is a great way for an MMO company to fail.

simply put expertise is a huge mistake right out the gate, almost as much as ilum.

Wouldn't alot of the problem be solved by having Expertise scale on gear just like every other Stat? Break the brackets down to 20, 40, and 50, and add put Expertise on PvP gear in each bracket. For the life of me, I don't understand why Expertise is only on the 50 gear.

Then there's no problem removing it from the game. amirite? or you just trolling?

This is such a horrible post, you give absolutely no supporting reasons as to why Expertise ISN'T needed in the PVP environment.

Similar to other MMO's with PVP, a stat of this nature is necessary, obviously the dev's felt the same.

Next?

I have a feeling 3 months from now Expertise arguments will no longer matter... in fact I bet you will not see but maybe 1 post on the pvp forums about it. I will however venture to say that the pvp forums will be filled with "Merge severs now, it takes 1 hour just to get a warzone match", "Make cross server warzones so we can get faster warzone pops".

You would think pvp'ers of all types would relish the idea of more people participating in pvp but that does not seem to be the case. In fact it seems as if people would rather keep the pvp community small thus making Biowares decisions on what to dedicate their developers time and money on much easier. Seriously if you were bioware what would you spend the time and money on, a dieing pvp community or a thriving pve community?

If you for one would like a thriving pvp community then you need to encourage not only Bioware but the hard core pro expertise people to rethink the path pvp is on right now.

They had this since day 1 it was in drummond kaas near the trainers, it was changed 2 updates ago to match the normal level 20 and 40 pvp vendor.

As I tried to point out in my post, and as many companies have learnt in the past; Giving people equivalent gear from raiding that they can use in PvP is an even bigger way to fail.

You also say in your post that it would take several thousand commendations to get anyway... well...isn't that the same as now? Several thousand commendations gets you like 4-5 champion bags. I really don't see where you're going with this, unless you're saying that people should be able to buy it too. In that case you're just going to destroy any point in people PvPing at lower levels. I mean, I'm sure as Sh-- hell not going to get my *** handed to me repeatedly by 45-49 pre-made groups to get crappy level 20 and 40 gear and there's no point me saving up commendations early if I can just buy in at 50 and get those commendations 3 times quicker.

To be honest, I think your whole argument is flawed and you haven't thought out what you've said in the least bit. You just don't like the fact that you switched sides and don't automatically get acknowledged for the 'great' pvper you are and are making reactionary posts to it. Go back and read what people have said about why PvP stats are put into games.

Oh, and for the record, I had no problem coming near the top of the table even when there were 50's on my and the enemy team geared up when playing with my healer and my tank. If you can't do that compared to a moderately skilled pvper who still has much to learn then I suspect you're not as great at pvp as you think you are. Sure, my damage wasn't that high, but my protection or healing stats were some of, if not THE highest on the table. You can be useful in PvP even if you're not able to take people out 1-1.

Not only that, but to be perfectly honest, if you choose to start PvPing at 50 isn't that a bit silly when you KNOW that you can only get expertise ratings from champion gear and above? I mean...every single person in this thread must know you need 800 commendations per champion bag...it's not like they couldn't easily have 10 bags waiting when they get to 50 by only doing 5 pvp matches a day until they're max level.


Hmm... you see, the problem with your argument is that in the games I've been in where there is PvP gear, there hasn't been a problem with people not wanting to play. The problem has been people wanting to play on the side that wins all the time. I hate to use a WoW example but how many people re-rolled to horde to be on the winning side, rather than trying to work together and win on alliance? I know of at least 20 people who over my time in WoW said they were switching purely because of PvP.

Also, do you think I want to PvP with, or against, people who spit their dummy out and throw a tantrum when they have to go through the same process as everyone else to get geared up? I mean...seriously...would you whine that it's too hard to get raiding gear to do the top end raids? I suspect not, because people know, in general, that if you want to be good in raids you need to put quite a lot of effort into it. Why people think the same should not apply to PvP and they should be able to step into an arena with someone who's been PvPing all day every day and be able to have the same gear as them is beyond me.

I'm willing to bet that 90% of the people who are 50 and geared up either started PvPing early, and got their *** handed to them, or started PvPing at 50 and got their asses handed to them. Those that are geared are the ones that were willing to put up with not being SUPER UBER FANTASTIC SUPERMAN straight away and knew they had to put some time and effort into excelling at what they do. I'm also willing to bet that half the people who whine about this don't change their specs for PvPing and go rolling in specced for PvE and expect to be brilliant.

I disagree. I mean, yeah sure, a PvP stat is kind of a dumb idea. But what else would we do? PvP needs a reward system, just like PvE... how do we reward people in mmos? GEAR! Ok, so do we give the PvPer gear that would make him awesome at PvE? Well, no, because maybe he's good at PvP but he is inexperienced at PvE because he spends all his time in war zones and no time refining his rotation or learning when to use key abilities for PvE situations. Additionally, what if getting said gear is easier in PvP than it is in PvE (which I believe it is)? Then everyone's going to PvP til they get such awesome gear that they and their guildies can farm all the operations without ever having to work on progression--oh wait, if you already have top-end gear, why do operations at all?

So you see where I'm going here? There needs to be something to delegate what is PvP gear and what is PvE gear. Now in defense of "Expertise"... In WoW there was resilience. Let me explain how expertise is a better idea than resilience.

Resilience=reduces damage taken from other players
Expertise=reduces damage taken from other players/increases damage dealt to other players/increases healing done to friendly players

So because resilience reduced damage taken, it produced a very slow PvP environment that turned WoW PvP from being somewhat fast-paced to an absolute slugfest with endless, boring, no-consequences type fighting eventually resulting in a player dying. In fact, in arenas, you would seriously run into situations where players could fight for up to a half hour with no deaths occurring on either side.

Expertise is better than resilience because less emphasis is put on survivability. Two level 50s sporting 600 expertise each will wind up having an identical duel to two level 50s with 0 expertise. If you have the same expertise as your opponent, it will have no bearing on the fight. If you have more expertise, obviously you will have an advantage. The point is, expertise counteracts enemy expertise, whereas resilience simply made you stupidly hard to kill.