Guard Needs Fixing Now, or Why We Have So Many Burst Damage Whines

You do get that a tanks TRADE OFF for being able to do any of this, is doing a fraction of a DD's damage right?

I can't use it in Shadow Stance or Force Stance. Only Combat (which is the tanking stance) - or whatever the form is on my Guardian (I don't play him so much :P)

I mean, if I'll have a BUSY game in Alderaan, end up Immortal, kicking all the arse, and not dying - due to a *REALLY* good team setup, and at the end of it I'll come out with barely 100k damage (tops I think I've EVER made was around 120k - that is AN OPPORTUNITY COST). My healer in this scenario, will end up with ~250-300k healing and around ~50-80k damage himself, and the DD's in the party will be doing around 300-400K damage each. For 50-90k damage shielded. That's the sum total of how much guard did - when they derp down the healer. Still less that half the damage of a decent DD at this level.

There's a massive cost to this, and it's that I'm not DAMAGE DEALING. I'd do VASTLY more if I was a DD, but I'm not, I'm a tank. My role is to take the hits for others, and I do that well. Don't whine because you can't get your head around how the mechanic works.

When you next see a tank/healer combo working, and working well - look at the scores at the end. That's your "opportunity" cost. I sacrifice damage, and a LOT of it, to get control. That's the point of a tank, and that's where your rant lies. You can't just do what you want, as you always have, because the rules are different when you have a proper tank who knows how to tank.

Try playing a tank mate. Roll one up and level with it. Learn to tank. Then come back and say - "Guard's OP." Because clearly, you don't have the first iota of knowledge of tanking (outside of probably WoW, and that - in it's latest stages was never "tanking").

That would be a pretty silly argument if it were being made. Thank you for your contribution to the thread. May I suggest brushing up on your reading comprehension?

this had 0 arguments in it, and you try to attack me personal instead.

yes you certainly know how to do arguments on the internet.

You say there's tons of evidence, so where is it?

Where is the evidence that 30% PvP healing nerf was the direct result of Guard? Go on. Because I can easily just say it was the result of their heals. You can't prove otherwise.

People's opinions of why they die is NOT evidence.

It's a good thing you're not a lawyer. You would completely fail at presenting a proper case to the Jury.

You argued there is no team work. I just pointed out there is, and the reason why you perhaps have not seen it. Not sure why that was so difficult for you to understand. Oh well.

And the rest of your team would do vastly less because they'd be dead a lot more. That isn't really an opportunity cost.

What I mean by an opportunity cost is when you cast a heal it takes X seconds and costs Y resource. If you choose to do that you're using time and resources you could be using to do something else.

Guard has no such cost. It's just a passive add-on. And the add-on goes to another player, not yourself, so it can't be balanced by making you gimper. At least not directly.

Incidentally, the numbers on the scoreboard really mean nothing. If one of your dps is doing 400k dps a warzone and killing no one it isn't doing you much good. This is essentially the problem with guard in a nutshell. Guard doesn't significantly reduce damage numbers but it does stop people from dying, which skews the existing healing/dps balance out of whack one way or the other.

PVP tanking should be refocused on mitigating damage to others, not on a crude soul-link.

Or maybe you should brush up on your argument. Your argument is that BW needs to balance burst damage with either the assumption that guard is either present or not right? For guard to be present, it needs 2 people. And since you are arguing about burst damage, you are talking about a DPS's ability to dish out a high amount of dps to a target to kill him quickly. Let me know what I got wrong?

We're probably wasting energy trying to enlighten them.

Trying to explain tanking/healing/supporting roles/team play/or team synergy to pew pewers is like - trying to take a leak into a desert to get it to bloom into a Garden of Eden.

It's like - explaining to a child, the concept of time. You can have a piece of chocolate now, or a bar of chocolate tonight when you get home. They 99% of the time, will take the piece of chocolate NOW, and then feel upset that they can't have the bar later.

You take two roles, that are supporting roles. Not the "stars of the show" - and mix them together, and they form a wonderful chorus. We'll never be the pew pewers. But - people know if we sing out of key.

There are no teams in swtor. Is that so hard to understand? At max there is 2x 4 people working together, thats still not optimal teamwork.

I want to see you play for example a CS war with 3 people on one ts and 2 on another. Thats far from perfect Teamwork.

If half of the team doesnt know each other, and cant communicate over Voice programms, thats not teamwork. If you ever played a game that relied on your whole team communicating with each other, you wouldnt claim that "teamwork" is leaving half of your team out of those comms.

And again, i want to see 3 dps take down a tank or a guarded healer in a team with 2 healers (thats assuming your 4 man premade has 3 dps).

Well you see the thing is Guard + Healing doesn't need any fixing whatsoever.



The point of a tank you ask?


To soak up damage for their teammates



What does guard do?



Soak up damage for their teammates.



Tanks do abysmal damage otherwise. But they have large HP pulls and techniques to mitigate damage (Despite the Sorc going through armor rumor which is just that, a rumor. I wish my lightning went through armor).

Healers have lower health and lower damage but at the same time can restore life to themselves and their teammates.



What happens when two complimentary skill sets get together? They make a good combination. You shouldn't be able to just lolburst a healer and tank and beat it.


The game may be balanced for one or the other but regardless it doesn't matter. I have no problem killing a healer or a tank separately. When they're together they pose more of a challenge, only someone who doesn't grasp basic mathematics would would go against both of them by his or her lonesome. The game is balanced around group play anyways.