Guard Needs Fixing Now, or Why We Have So Many Burst Damage Whines

We've been over this 5 times now. The imbalance comes in because you have to choose to either balance around guard or balance without guard.

You can balance numbers to fit any variable. So BW can certainly balance around guard to make burst dps balanced when guard is in the equation. This thread isn't about whether or not they've hit that point.

The problem is that conceptually if you do that the game will not be balanced for situations where you don't have guard.

This is already showing up in a big way in balance decisions. Adrenals and operatives got nerfed because un-guarded solo people were getting blown up by excessive brust dps. The reason that burst dps was there was to be able to break guard. The burst dps wasn't particularly excessive in the context of guard but it was too much for solo people.

As long as BW tries to balance for both groups it will fail. Guard changes the burst dps balance equation too much.

Imagine if he actually put that time to research a cure for cancer. He could be wealthy!

How long do you think before the OP realizes that you're suppose to kill the tank first? There's a reason why tanks can't mitigate pvp damage...

I guess some people can't get over the wow paradigm where you simply tunnel the healers.

Right I understand his confusion, I just don't understand where the rational thought is. As I'm typing that sentence, I'm laughing. Sometimes, I say crazy things.

I accept your apology and admission that you were wrong.

We have two different topics, this one and:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=224216

In this topic, people say you can't focus healers because of guard so you should should focus the tank instead.

In the other topic, people say healers are focused and die easily.

One group is not telling the truth.

I'm sorry... you lost me at the Op having a rational thought...

The healing a tank receives is absolutely no different than the healing any other player might receive regardless of the Guard mechanic, so that point is fairly moot.

As many people have said, there are plenty of different strategies in order to deal w/ the healer themself if you do not wish to kill the tank first, though these require coordination and teamwork. This is not unintended, as group PvP always focuses on coordination and teamwork.

You do not need to adjust burst according to the Guard mechanic, because it can be completely nullified rather easily. It's not difficult to completely shut down a healer through CC/Interrupts as a DPS class, as many can talent their Interrupts down to a 6 second cooldown w/ a 4 second lockout, as well as stuns/CC.

A decent DPS player can utterly destroy a healer's output even w/out chain CC, by simply denying them their "big heals" and making them rely on inferior hots and instant casts that will not keep a player alive under heavy focus fire. Especially not TWO players, and a healer who is being harassed long enough will eventually choose to save either themself or their tank, inevitably leading to the others' demise.

If your argument is that unorganized teams cannot compete against organized ones, well, that is pretty much par for the course, and doesn't need adjustment.

This is as nonsensical as saying you either balance with healing or without, with CC or without, or any of the other myriad methods of damage mitigation. You've made a statement and failed to provide any convincing evidence that guard is somehow different from other kinds of mitigation they are all factored in and yes it sucks that the match maker doesn't seem to try and put together teams so that everyone has a healer or two, a tank, and decent dps.

And the proof that delusion plays a big part of here.