Guard Needs Fixing Now, or Why We Have So Many Burst Damage Whines

If you're going to make claims, you should at least know the definition of it. So yes, that makes a difference in your arguments. If you're asking for nerfs to guard, at least admit it rather than trying to justify it, because that affects your overall judgement on what you're asking for.

And you are assuming Guard "might" change ability balance. It is not a fact that it will. You're free to express your opinion, just as everyone else is free to validate why Guard is fine the way it currently is. I'm just pointing out that you're so set in your own world that you're not considering the valid points of others.

That does not make for an open-minded debate.

Why can't you adjust tactics. Both sides have tanks with the abuility. If you ID the tank CC/interupt healers and use your dps on the tank it is game over. I am a tank who guard a healer all the dam time and i can tell you once i am ID it is game over for me.

We get you are a bitter op/scoundrel but your position that they have to balance to unkillable guarded players or 3 minute tanks is dumb.

Many people are telling you learn how to deal with guard not sit here and dwell on hypothetical balance issues.

Burst is based on players knowing how to deal with others using guard. There is your answer.

Uh how is that possibly a controversial statement?

Unless you think guard has no effect on pvp survivabiltiy it clearly does change ability balance.

Do you approach a situation where there is a guarded target the same way as a situation without a guarded target? Of course not. Your fundamental approach to the situation changes because otherwise you will get rolled.

What is important when someone is guarded is completely different from when someone isn't guarded. It has by far the biggest impact on overall game balance of any ability in the game.

bitter (not to mention bad) operative/scoundrel OP sounds about right.

It isn't about being able to counter guard. It's about guard changing PVP dynamics too much to balance to both situations.

If you balance for being able to counter guard anytime you don't have guard involved things are going to be unbalanced. In particular you are going to be blowing people up in 3 seconds and CC is going to have a ridiculously overblown effect.

If you do the opposite and balance without guard in mind guard becomes pretty much uncounterable.

Right now BW is trying to do both and it can't work mathematically. Guard has too much of an impact on game balance to have a balanced game both with and without it.

It doesn't even sound like you play Pvp. Some of your claims are ridiculous. That you think it is easier to keep a guard twosome together than to break them up indicates you don't even play the game.

To the OP - you need to let this thread die the death it so richly deserves.

Guard is not overpowered, nor does it change the way PvP works any more than any CC ability with a moderately long duration. It's painfully obvious that you're mad you can't just burst down the healer and thus eliminate any opposition to your ridiculous burst damage.

Accept that you need to learn how to play the game and realize that you shouldn't be able to kill 2 people by yourself. If there's two DPS on a healer and a tank, you should be CCing the healer and bursting down the tank. Hell, if you burst well enough, you can kill the tank with just guard damage sometimes.

Stop whining that you can't just roll your face over your keyboard after the upcoming operative/scoundrel nerf and move on.

Op isnt even calling for a nerf lol.

Just remake the concept so youve to do something and not sit next to the healer being pretty... Its not really a nerf if there a good alternatives introduced now is it?

That's an answer, but it doesn't obviate the balance problem. If you balance burst with guard in mind it'll be too high when you don't have guard around. Unless you think guard has no impact on the amount of burst required to kill a target.