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Don't Nerf Tracer Missle/Grav rounds.....Nerf

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Don't Nerf Tracer Missle/Grav rounds.....Nerf

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Malice_Nihilim
01.23.2012 , 01:17 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Zarthorn View Post
Armor Piercing Cell and High Velocity Gas Cylinder!

Why do you ask?

35% consistent armor pen which when stacked with Tracer missle and Grav rounds secondary effect builds up to 60% armor penetration!

Far and away the highest consistent figure of armor pen in the entire game.

And lest we forget, Bioware are nerfing Flechette Round and Acid Blade, both 31 point talents that grant 50% armor pen (and the only armor pen that a Scoundrel/Ops gets) for 6 seconds down to 30% for 6 seconds because they think 50% armor pen for 6 seconds is too much.....

So again, I ask how is 35% consistent armor pen on a heavy armor wearing class that can consistently stack to 60% armor pen fair? (not forgetting here, you have to invest absolutely nothing for that armor pen vs a 31 talent point)

Now you have your answer and the true problem behind Grav/Tracer spam.
eh, one the lowest 'ignore armors' in the game....my railshots ignore 90% armor passively.
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Spyde
01.23.2012 , 01:19 PM | #52
Tracer missle now has more burst then ops can ever dream of...

3k dmg over and over ftw from 30m away and only a 1.5 sec cast time.

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TheRealBoz
01.23.2012 , 01:21 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Spyde View Post
Tracer missle now has more burst then ops can ever dream of...

3k dmg over and over ftw from 30m away and only a 1.5 sec cast time.
3k happens only on a crit.
MAKE LOVE, NOT SPAM!

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Crompton
01.23.2012 , 01:21 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Zarthorn View Post
Armor Piercing Cell and High Velocity Gas Cylinder!

Why do you ask?

35% consistent armor pen which when stacked with Tracer missle and Grav rounds secondary effect builds up to 60% armor penetration!

Far and away the highest consistent figure of armor pen in the entire game.

And lest we forget, Bioware are nerfing Flechette Round and Acid Blade, both 31 point talents that grant 50% armor pen (and the only armor pen that a Scoundrel/Ops gets) for 6 seconds down to 30% for 6 seconds because they think 50% armor pen for 6 seconds is too much.....

So again, I ask how is 35% consistent armor pen on a heavy armor wearing class that can consistently stack to 60% armor pen fair? (not forgetting here, you have to invest absolutely nothing for that armor pen vs a 31 talent point)

Now you have your answer and the true problem behind Grav/Tracer spam.
So with this pathetic attempt from a Imp sorc your asking for a nerf in your own deluded mind?

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MegaBubble
01.23.2012 , 01:41 PM | #55
Let me try to explain why I think your complaint is flawed at its core with an illustration.

My daughter complained to me the other day because I only let her have 1 cookie, even though I let her cousin have 3. She didn't think it was fair. I explained to her that the reason she couldn't have 3 cookies was that she had just had ice cream an hour before - her cousin had not. Her cousin is also older than she is. It isn't that 3 cookies are bad as a general rule - but combined with her age, the other sweets she had already eaten, and other factors this particular child did not need 3 cookies.

Get it?

You can't just make a blanket statement that "if Smugglers can't have it then Troopers shouldn't be able to have it either!" because that decision was balanced with the rest of the Smugglers feature set in mind. BW didn't just go in and solely look at armor penetration and go, "Oh no, that's way too much for any one class to have".

That's why your argument is flawed from the very start. What you're doing is having a knee-jerk reaction to your class getting nerfed. Your class hasn't been rendered "useless" now, its just a nerf. Again, stop complaining, adapt, and overcome.

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Zarthorn
01.23.2012 , 01:53 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Crompton View Post
So with this pathetic attempt from a Imp sorc your asking for a nerf in your own deluded mind?
How is it delusional when something is clearly wrong with your class and everyone can see it but merc/commando players?

Do yourself a favor, play another class for a while get yourself on the recieving end of a merc/commando then tell me how we are all wrong and that you guys are actually balanced, because I can bet you now you would be actually thinking to yourself "yea...this is bs"

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Brad-
01.23.2012 , 02:02 PM | #57
Hopefully, BW will be too smart to nerf classes based on PvP whines.




I love people who say "his A is stronger than my B, and should be nerfed ... please ignore the fact that my C is stronger than his D". All they care about is winning through nerfs, not through skill.


Anyone who thinks Commandos are OP, hasn't learned to LoS... hasn't learned to move while playing ... etc.
I am a lawyer in RL, but I try to roleplay an honorable character.

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Duymon
01.23.2012 , 02:14 PM | #58
Tracer Missile spam is not hard to avoid. Just look for the mercs that are leaning down like they're about to poop and either LOS them, use a close-in technique like Force speed / Force Leap / Storm or Rocket boost and melt their faces in close combat.

The only reason most Commandos / Mercs seem to be melting face is because the smart ones DPS down people at range who are already engaged with another player like they're supposed to IN A TEAM GAME.

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Brad-
01.23.2012 , 02:22 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Duymon View Post
Tracer Missile spam is not hard to avoid. Just look for the mercs that are leaning down like they're about to poop and either LOS them, use a close-in technique like Force speed / Force Leap / Storm or Rocket boost and melt their faces in close combat.

The only reason most Commandos / Mercs seem to be melting face is because the smart ones DPS down people at range who are already engaged with another player like they're supposed to IN A TEAM GAME.


You are asking people to think and play smart? Why should they have to do that, when it is so much easier to cry on the forms?
I am a lawyer in RL, but I try to roleplay an honorable character.

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Zarthorn
01.23.2012 , 02:22 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Brad- View Post
Hopefully, BW will be too smart to nerf classes based on PvP whines.




I love people who say "his A is stronger than my B, and should be nerfed ... please ignore the fact that my C is stronger than his D". All they care about is winning through nerfs, not through skill.


Anyone who thinks Commandos are OP, hasn't learned to LoS... hasn't learned to move while playing ... etc.
Scoundrel/Ops nerf, based on whines to the most, that ship sailed.

LoS only works if you are on a map that allows for it like Alderaan, try LoS'ing consistently on Voidstar, Huttball and Ilum, this is a falsity created to bring about an illusion that Tracer/Grav is balanced.

1.5 sec induction time, takes much longer than that to duck for cover im afraid.