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Why so few Snipers?

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Why so few Snipers?

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ZDProletariat
01.23.2012 , 12:39 PM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Reryn View Post
There is no "auto attack".

I use my "base attack", which is set to "1" like most people's when my energy gets close to 60% in order to keep my energy at the highest regen. The point of what I was saying is... snipers can't consistently use "special" attacks like some classes, in order to maintain the highest DPS rotation as MM we have to base attack quite a bit.

I don't know where you are getting this thing you are saying about me running my energy down.
You can keep pretending that you need to use that crappy attack to keep your energy high, but any competent slinger can do it. You just need to practice.

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Vaccaboia
01.23.2012 , 01:07 PM | #132
I like my sniper, even if i s*ck against all other force classes.

Having fun is not always about winning, as huttball fun is not always about carrying the ball.

i feel a support class and i support my party as much as i can

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DestyOwn
01.23.2012 , 01:15 PM | #133
Because Sniper Lack in almost every aspect.

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Kyrandis
01.23.2012 , 01:40 PM | #134
Dunno why Im having a blast on my level 12 in pvp. Got my first 4k crit already(without buffs). Took my scoundrel hitting 50 and pvp gear to get that high. I am sad that a lot of our abilities are White damage though I hate seeing ambush getting deflected as often as it does.
Rock and Paper are fine, nerf scissors.
- Paper

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Dogfatherxx
01.23.2012 , 01:50 PM | #135
Speaking as a 550 expertise sniper, I think that the reason that there are not more snipers is because there is no real reason to play one right now. There are a lot of other classes that can easily match a snipers damage that brings other utility with them to PVP (heals, damage prevention, etc). Not to mention, they do not have to remain completely still in order to be remotely effective. Going up against expertise geared players, an opening with ambush and followthrough hardly takes off but about 10-20 percent of their health. The best that a sniper can really do is just tab around the targets and try to finish of weakened players. As one of the pure DPS specced classes, one would think that the damage output (expecially against single targets) would be higher. I do not want to see anyone nerfed, but I think that snipers single target DPS needs to be boosted by 10-25% to make them competative.

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bgarretts
01.23.2012 , 02:07 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by Awakelol View Post
All of our utility abilities require cover, while no other class in the game needs cover to use similar abilities.

AoE Knockback? Requires cover.

CC immunity cd? Requires cover.

DMG reduction aoe cd? Requires cover.

Hardest hitting abilities? Requires cover.

Ranged stun for troopers/BH's/Sorcers/Sages.
Sniper/Gunslinger stun? Requires melee range.

Speed boost talents or sprint abilities? None.

Heals? None.

Force pulls, force leaps, grapples, ect.? None.



Now go back through the list with a Sorcerer/Sage and you will see why no one plays Sniper/Gunslinger.
Amen.
Sniper is not easy pvp. You have to be smart stealthy since you have the lack of abilities and utilities the other classes do. If you get ganged up on or stun CC locked your hosed. But when they are laughing that they just rolled you 3-1 while in cover you can be proud that you had bugged abilities half the CC that works and can still top the charts. I agree dont pvp sniper if you want easy mode. But I still enjoy the class and PVP often.

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Lerdoc
01.23.2012 , 02:11 PM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by ZDProletariat View Post
You can keep pretending that you need to use that crappy attack to keep your energy high, but any competent slinger can do it. You just need to practice.
I don't know from what POV you speak, but its not competent gunslinger for sure. You do not seem like a gunslinger at all. Mechanically, commando and merc dps trees are superior with their resource management talents, slingers/snipers really do need to use free attack maybe every 2 skills at best.

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fungihoujo
01.23.2012 , 02:18 PM | #138
I started with a sniper. Being immobile in pvp is a deathtrap, even being immobile against bosses in pve meant death. Cover is so slow and clunky half the time it takes longer to roll into it than to cast ambush.

Having 2 seconds to cover, then 3 seconds ambush... only for the target to use many of the pillars and obstacles to go LoS- you just to be immobile too long for damage that isn't even any more impressive than other classes.

Merc does more damage and can be mobile and heavily armoured AND heal. Sorc, same story. Ops, same story but instead of ranged they have stealth.

Snipers are one of two AC that have only one purpose- DPS. Marauder on the other hand brings things like a healing debuff and superior consistant damage, as well as better ability to mess up any class that doesn't want you in their face.


I hear cover 'lags' more for some than others. It lags for me- and it's the only ability across five classes I've played that lags... just not worth it.

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Kaptain_Kabul
01.23.2012 , 02:54 PM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by Kusumura View Post
QFT, my brother, although I'm a Gunslinger. Always in the top three for damage/objective points. The amount of effort I put in, compared to what the other classes that always top me in rankings do, though? It really kills my *****. No matter how hard I try, no matter how good my match was, there will ALWAYS be that one sodding p**** above me that rolled the face-roller class (Trooper, Consular, Knight. All the same, really) and beat me.

Mind you, whenever I can, I watch everybody in the match out of the corner of my eye to see who to give my MVP to. You know irritating it is when the Trooper that's been keyboard turning and clicking his skills the entire match actually beats me, all because I won't become beholden to the buggy and inoperable nerf-device of, "Cover?" I don't care if 3/4 of my true DPS is essentially teased away from me. But the fact that I work THAT hard for it?

One of my guildies (A Trooper, that I wipe the floor with each and every time mind you) complained to me about all of their skills having channel times, I kept my thoughts inside because, hey, he's a guildie, and he's never played a terrible, unbalanced and useless class before. But what were my thoughts?

"You have the GAUL to b**** and moan to me about cast times? Yeah. My three main attack skills are instant. And you know what? You resist the lot of them, and I only do about 2/3 of the apparent damage they're all meant to do. Most of my actual skills, I have to sacrifice for mobility so I can kite you.
I can't push you back, but you can. I can't DPS against you, since both my skills are forbidden to me, AND you resist it all anyway. I can't resist you, except for fifteen seconds where I might absorb a little damage with my shields. I can't get away from you, since you'll just pull me back in. You have all of those advantages PERMANENTLY over me, so if you have a cast time - a three second window that I have to **** of your range - then that should be my damn right."
My feelings exactly! Yeah, you hit a soft spot. thats what i'am thinking,too.

I'am running around killing the damn healers who are obvously smart enough to not stay in my sight and have plenty of skills to get away.

Or popping bubbles! Sometimes people seem to think those bubbles vanish because they looked hard enough at them.

Or running up frontline to pop aoe shield in a critical situation when we need every damage reduction possible

or just hold the tide off with ae stun and knockback, long enough to win a few crucial seconds, before the light saber wilding cavalry arrives.

But the most medals go to "Mr. One Button Grav Round Spam" who did nothing but stand around shooting at a tank whos obviously healed by a sorc. Or the nice sage who started reducing his HP during flight so that he can heal himself up at start to get the MVP heal medals. Because he had the most heal... mostly hiumself but who is actually poaying attention.



Thats the point where i think sometimes. Just role a sage or a trooper run into the crowd screaming while hitting 1 button all the time. Obviously more fun than beeing effective.

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Ancient_karp
01.23.2012 , 02:57 PM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by fungihoujo View Post
I started with a sniper. Being immobile in pvp is a deathtrap, even being immobile against bosses in pve meant death. Cover is so slow and clunky half the time it takes longer to roll into it than to cast ambush.
Try lethality. It's much better for mobility and the damage is solid if you learn to manage your power well.