NO Addons please. There is another solution!

Because a half decent log parser doesn't just tell you how much damage you did. It tells you what skills were used and in what order, how often you crit, how much damage you take and mitigate, how much you got healed, what skills you got hit by, and a lot of other useful information that min/maxers and raid leaders want to be able to find out what went wrong and how to make it right.

What if the boss doesn't die? We just smash our heads against it repeatedly while someone sits in the back of the raid with sub-par dps and no way to tell?

If the boss didn't die, someone made a mistake or wasn't prepared. The whole group shouldn't suffer because of a few people sucking.

All PvE encounters are scripted, you press a certain button when an on screen prompt informs you that it needs to be pressed. If you think otherwise, then you have been brainwashed by the machines.

Honestly, give me Recount, a CombatLog, clickable Nameplates, a better Cooldown Tracker and 2 more QuickSlots per Bar and i'm fine. Oh yeah and a effin target of target frame.

Ha so we agree that you don't need pluging for that. Close this thread now plz. Case closed.

Stop being scared your DPS or Healing isn't good enough and learn how to play your class.

I would rather see Bioware implements all these tools themself then someone from the outside does it. This way Bioware could give us information like our dps but keep other stuff hidden from us that would make encounters too predictable.

uh... no?

The only conclusion I can derive from every person that hates addons, is that they don't want to be called out for their poor performance and be carried. We left a guild because a GM was so bad at their job, that it dragged the entire party down with them. Unfortunately, we don't have an addon to prove this, so we had to use a companion. How so? Well we kept hitting the enrage at 30% HP remaining on the bulwark boss in HM D7. We had a hunch that it was him, but could not definitively prove it. Instead, we dropped him, used my companion Vette, in green gear, and tried the boss again. Guess what? The boss enraged at 10%HP remaining instead... She did 20% MORE damage than an actual player.

If we had recount, we wouldn't have to go through this period and would find out right away who was holding us back. A freakin NPC in GREENS outdps'd an actual player... is it really fair to subject the other 3 players to one player's fail? I for one want a tool that can show me exactly what is going on, who is doing their share of contribution and who is outright just sitting back on the backs of other players.

^ This. I was healing Hard mode Black talon pug 2 days ago and we were wiping on each and every boss because of hitting enrage timers. Can you imagine hitting enrage timers on the easiest instance in the game. This was happening when even i was throwing dps when ever i could. We wiped like 5 times on the last boss. You tell me one good reason why I should waste my time like this and not replace the person who was being carried and not doing enough dps to clear the easiest content. The best part is that both the dps were acting as if they were seasoned raiders and were doing everything "Right".

It ruined WOW for you because you wanted to be carried in the raid and not pointed out that you were not doing your job properly.

I understand not everyone likes to compete and be on top. That is just fine but don't say that the addon ruined the game for you just because you were bad and did not want to improve. Just don't use the addon and don't raid in environment which requires you to get better.

OP, what is your thought process behind something like HealBot turning the game into something like "90's Nintendo"? I didn't use HealBot, I used Grid, but any raid frame addon that caters to healers isn't a huge leap from what we deal with by default. We look at the raid frames and essentially play whack-a-mole with them while our peripheral vision looks at the floor and maybe catches a glimpse of the boss. It's no different in TOR, in fact, it's perhaps worse since there is no ToT in this game.

Something like HealBot or even better, Grid, just makes the information you get from the raid frames cleaner and better displayed. With Grid you could set things up like HoT timers and custom debuffs for certain boss fights. These are slight advantages but the HoT tracking in particular is a real quality of life feature. The way these addons display who is debuffed is also another good thing.

Some elaboration as to why you think these things are bad would be nice. I'd love to hear a good explanation on why I should heal with a 10yr old UI.

Gearscore debacle/drama? You mean people with ***** for gear wanting to go places they aren't geared for? Yeah, it's annoying. Fortunately, we CAN inspect people at least....

Agreed, no addons, especially not ones that make the game easier.

Once you get addons that make the game easier, the developers have to start balancing that content on the assumption that you have those addons. You also become "stupid" for not using them, just like Biochem.