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Gunslinger is to weak compared to other classes

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Gunslinger is to weak compared to other classes

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SWImara
01.23.2012 , 09:58 AM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
Cover blows with all it's bugs, but saying that we do low damage is a flat out lie... We do awesome damage and particularly awesome burst, I dare say that we have the best burst in the game after operatives and after 1.1.1 we may end up actually having the best burst damage period.

59 Valor BTW
<3 for this post.

You're playing a burst damage class, essentially your biggest impact in PvP is making people ******* themselves when they see some big absurd number pop up over their head and seconds later they're dead. Perhaps this role just isn't for OP, but claiming that the class is crap because a person is having problems with it doesn't seem reasonable.

Just like two weeks ago people were complaining about "Cover BS" here on the forums, look it up. Just because one person doesn't see their class mechanic as useful doesn't mean that's the consensus. If people are posting about how much they hate "X ability" chances are there is a good way out there to make said ability useful.

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potroast
01.23.2012 , 10:01 AM | #222
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaptain_Kabul View Post
Okay i speak more slowly for you.

Cover 1 GCD
Stopped reading here.

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Greennunu
01.23.2012 , 10:02 AM | #223
weird... thought I posted this on another thread##

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SwordoftheStars
01.23.2012 , 10:04 AM | #224
im not saying i hate it but its bugged and its preventing you from doing damage, because you have to constantly set it up again. If you dont have entrench ready you are constantly knocked out of cover and you cant deal damage.

Having this stationary sitting makes you also a big target and i also dont see why my cover needs to have flashing lights.

Cover in this fast paced pvp is just hindering and my personal opinion is, that we dont deal enough damage to make up for this.

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Ipsemeter
01.23.2012 , 10:04 AM | #225
IDK, the damage is there, the burst is there, speed shot, rapid, speed shot speed shot, put a flourish at the front and you should be able to cycle to the next target on the third speed shot, to pop off your trink with illegal mods and pound away some charged shots till dead. If melee get in too close hunker down and use your knockback. Some great kiting abilities, especially with the kneeshot burst run, I could however use a longer Escape. 3 seconds is just meh, 1 sec of it is eaten by gcd, and the other 2 disappear with game queue lag, to make it really superficial in any pvp setting. I wouldn't mind a self heal, either.

To key to any class is learning their strengths, and bolstering their weaknesses. LOS is a tactic which is available to all classes, and it affects range more than melee, but that's why gunslingers have melee abilities and cc abilities.

We're certainly not getting 6-7k crits that some other classes are reporting. I think the largest mh crit I've gotten in pvp has been 4.1k followed by a 1.2k off hand crit, for a total of 5.3k damage, but our smaller hits get off faster and we end up doing ok.

For the record, there just aren't a lot of us playing Gunslingers, compared to other classes and other advanced classes. I think what you are seeing is not a problem with damage so much as a problem of players representing a faction/class. Give it some time, more people playing the class, then gauge how it balances out? I hate to say the trite, "I usually come in the top 3 in wz's for damage done as a Gunslinger" but that's been my perception since hitting 50 and figuring out how to play the class.

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SigDal
01.23.2012 , 10:06 AM | #226
While cover is not acting like I want it to at times, gunslingers are very good in pvp. You can't charge into an enemy group and expect to do something useful. Place yourself tactically, far away from the fight, and use your cooldowns properly. You also have alot of tools for a 1v1 battle, and as dirty fighting I can kill any other class without too much trouble. As a sharpshooter I get owned by mercenaries since my interupt won't interupt when I tell it to.

If you think our damage is low do this:
Flourish shot - illegal mods + trinket - speed shot - rapid fire - speed shot - speed shot - aimed shot -trick shot. Any non tank class is dead by then.

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Kaptain_Kabul
01.23.2012 , 10:09 AM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
Cover blows with all it's bugs, but saying that we do low damage is a flat out lie... We do awesome damage and particularly awesome burst, I dare say that we have the best burst in the game after operatives and after 1.1.1 we may end up actually having the best burst damage period.

59 Valor BTW


To the above poster: Entrench does not trigger GCD, Relics and Adrenals do not trigger GCD, Target Acquired does not trigger GCD...

When you pop Explosive Probe first, then relics and adrenals, this way you won't lose any DPS time.
Really! I'am 53 Valor with complete T2 and i didnt knew that. The more you learn. I'am using that move i described sometimes to melt funny shadows or melees standing next to me with that. For tanks i add armor reducing shot.

Just the better, moar DPS without GCD! Sorry my PC is not the fastest, so i thought i had GCD on those relics and Stims, but must have been lag then. But thats really cool to know.

I will try in my rotation. Even if i'am not a big fan of explosive probe. I like that armorreducing shot more as opener.

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FalmeseReb
01.23.2012 , 10:09 AM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Vealage View Post
Gunslinger and Sniper are one of the underplayed classes, so you probably won't see a lot of support with this. But, I do agree. (Although my character is a Sniper, not a Gunslinger)

The Cover mechanic is a very bad way to do PvP for the Sniper, yet our best spec is reliant upon it. Well, hopefully when they do some Scoun/Op nerfs, they will buff Sniper a bit too.
yeah, because the best ranged dps class needs a buff at the (soon to be) worst melee class' expense.

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SwordoftheStars
01.23.2012 , 10:09 AM | #229
i am valor 52 and i am doing well with my slinger but i think i have a much harder time achieving my goals then this 1 button wonder (i think we all know what i mean)

I have to put alot more effort in my playstyle to get kills and the cover system definately needs looked into

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Mazikeen
01.23.2012 , 10:12 AM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by SwordoftheStars View Post
I have to put alot more effort in my playstyle to get kills and the cover system definately needs looked into
Or, maybe, the system is working as intended for those that tire of the WoW-noobing of classes and want something that requires some effort

Just, you know, a thought
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