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Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

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Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

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Racheakt
01.23.2012 , 09:28 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaegaknight View Post
Whining doesn't make games better. Look at WoW. You're not complaining because you want the game to be better, you're complaining because you can. Because you think you're right and that you know better.

How do I know this? Because this is the internet. None of you have really provided constructive criticism. That would actually help make the game better. You know, going into the threads the mods have designated for suggestions? How about the suggestions forum?

But no. You come to this thread to whine. That's it. Please don't martyr yourself.
I am not being antagonistic, just giving a point of view.

I was in the Beta, I wrote pages of feedback on many of the issues that the players are now fussing about. (UI, Crafting etc...)

My point is there was higher than average expectations for TOR, while in beta i learned to temper my expectations and desires with what BW was actually producing. I am fine with the game where the game is design wise, I want what has become basic MMO elements at this point: scaleable/moveable UI, Macros, Addons, Group Finder, target of target, mouseover skills, etc.... but before any new features, fix the major bugs like skill delay and this new one where I am getting a random loading screen while walking around in the station.

No need to get defensive.

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Barathos
01.23.2012 , 09:28 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaegaknight View Post
I'm not trying to defend Bioware. These people genuinely infuriate me. The whole generation of entitled, know it all gamers that WoW has bred infuriates me.
I got that in Rift, and you know what I did? I walked away. There's really nothing you can do to sway people's opinion, even if you have cold-hard facts. Do I agree with the people who complain? Yes, to the point where they all have a valid complaint and I know where they're coming from.

Do I think that they should never ever come here to point out problems in a game with a "I quit" post? No, why? Because if nobody reports problems and then leaves because of them, who's to say it'll get fixed?

Edit: Spelling issues. >_>

Re-edited because I just looked at one of my points and it totally contradicts with what I said. O_O

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Seriousgoat
01.23.2012 , 09:29 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Mitchyslick View Post
Wow is a better game engine, with better devs. BW don't even know how to fix the game they just "finished" making. I mean really over a month in and I still have 7 quests I can't abandon, abilities still only work half the time in "fast paced" pvp. What a joke.
Game havent been out long and you cant assume that they gonna fix everything in a month. Stupid.

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Vaegaknight
01.23.2012 , 09:30 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by lordgracy View Post
So did lord of the rings, RIFT, Warhammer, etc. And they should. Expectations get higher as technology progresses. Its the natural order of things. This is 2012 and MMOs need to be places on higher standards. At the very least feature full at realease with enough content to keep the playerbase busy until the next content patch. I guess its asking too much to have a combat log, and UI customization at launch. Right Fanboys?


**NO ONE IS SAYING TOR SHOULD HAVE AS MUCH CONTENT AS PRESENT DAY WOW. ITS THE FEATURES. THAT'S THE ISSUE.**
"This is 2012..."

Combat logs keep people busy? UI customizations?

Those things would be NICE. But they're not NECESSARY. I'd rather have a sweet legacy system or a more polished space combat system. Your priorities seem a bit... Off.

*Facepalm*

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Vaegaknight
01.23.2012 , 09:31 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Barathos View Post
I got that in Rift, and you know what I did? I walked away. There's really nothing you can do to sway people's opinion, even if you have cold-hard facts. Do I agree with the people who complain? Yes, to the point where they all have a valid complaint and I know where they're coming from.

Do I think that they should never ever come here to point out problems in a game with a "I quit" post? Yes, why? Because if nobody reports problems and then leaves because of them, who's to say it'll get fixed?

Edit: Spelling issues. >_>
Coming here and whining and crying doesn't do anything. They'll fix issues based on bug reports, ACTUAL suggestions and subscriber loss. They'll correlate them all and decide which needs to be fixed first. Like any MMO.

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Barathos
01.23.2012 , 09:35 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaegaknight View Post
"This is 2012..."

Combat logs keep people busy? UI customizations?

Those things would be NICE. But they're not NECESSARY. I'd rather have a sweet legacy system or a more polished space combat system. Your priorities seem a bit... Off.

*Facepalm*
Well it is missing one of the most basic features that most people would take for granted. /roll

This is ANNOYING when you're raiding and you have a master looter. You basicly have to play "pick a number" to get your item. =/

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ApocDream
01.23.2012 , 09:37 AM | #127
I guess it's acceptable for all first year car models to be *** because the pinto blew up with it first came out, right?

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kevlarto
01.23.2012 , 09:38 AM | #128
why and who cares, played wow in the early years, bored me to tears moved on../shrug
Do not dwell in the past, do not not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.

Expectations lead to suffering

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lordgracy
01.23.2012 , 09:39 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaegaknight View Post
"This is 2012..."

Combat logs keep people busy? UI customizations?

Those things would be NICE. But they're not NECESSARY. I'd rather have a sweet legacy system or a more polished space combat system. Your priorities seem a bit... Off.

*Facepalm*
Sure they dont keep people busy but its what people are used to and want. You could have car with no doors, no AC no radio no powerlocks no antilock brakes no power brakes, but hey you can still drive it. Why should you expect more then that!!?? When you pay for the deluxe model(AAA mmo) you expect it to be feature full. I enjoy the gameplay of SWTOR and thats why im still here but if a lot of these features arent added in the next few months its doubtful Ill still be here.
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PHPer
01.23.2012 , 09:41 AM | #130
Why oh why, should i want to compare a 2004 game with a 2011 game ?

I dont compare the pc i used back then, with my iPhone ! Why, because my phone wins.

Swtor is a good ok first attempt, that imo should still be in beta, but i guess someone needed the money now. That being said, Biowares constant fail in focus is the most scary part tbh, having a account system that literaly stealts peoples money, and then ignore it all together. That shows where biowares focus is.

Blizzard are greedy, but atleast you get what you order.