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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Fintoozler
01.23.2012 , 09:28 AM | #221
Dear Bads,

Even after this over-nerfing is past, I will still curbstomp your sorry asses, and you will still cry.

Dear Goods,

You win, I guess.

Love,

"Overpowered"
"Passion is fer smashin'."
-Early Cuyler

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Hezakia
01.23.2012 , 09:29 AM | #222
Quote: Originally Posted by Whosthetank View Post
Jedi Shadows / assassins is the most balanced class in the game atm imo, its right there in the middle so what are you on about?
Yes "In your opinion" Because we all know yours is the only one that counts. The nerf is dumb anyway you look at it, did there crit dmg need to be toned down? Yes it did, but there sustained needed a boost to compensate. So, as a community we just made an entire advanced class tree (and the dmg portion of said advanced class) useless. I hope you all enjoy playing BH/Commando or Sage/Sorc because the ways its going, those are the only classes that shine in this game.
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rsomazzi
01.23.2012 , 09:32 AM | #223
After having 3/4 of my bar taken on an opening knock down out of stealth from an Operative before I could get back up, I can't disagree more. As a heavy armored Trooper, I can't tell you how imbalanced this is.

Bioware made a promise long ago that they would not give away the PvP to stealthing classes.

Operatives abilities, at least out of stealth, are most certainly out of whack. It needs to be toned down, a lot.

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Aggony
01.23.2012 , 09:34 AM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by jordanph View Post
How do you know they didn't test it themselves? How can you think 7-8k crits is fair against most classes 3-4k crits max. Please behave and have evidence of everything you say. They've so far listened to noone suggestions about illum, world pvp, champ bags etc etc and just because they make one class balanced you start crying on here.
I concur, something had to be done here. I for one am happy about the re-balancing of these two classes.

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Callo
01.23.2012 , 10:02 AM | #225
I haven't noticed any nerf. Maybe you are just bad? Scoundrels/OP are great burst DPS, but not so great sustained DPS because of our energy issues. There was never a need to nerf either class and I haven't noticed any such nerf happen. If they nerf our burst DPS then they have to fix our energy regen issues. As of now I don't have any problem with the class. I think it's just a case of L2P it properly. If you don't like it best of luck with your Pandas
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Daeth
01.23.2012 , 10:04 AM | #226
Quote: Originally Posted by Fintoozler View Post
Dear Bads,

Even after this over-nerfing is past, I will still curbstomp your sorry asses, and you will still cry.

Dear Goods,

You win, I guess.

Love,

"Overpowered"
I lol'ed.

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Xacc
01.23.2012 , 01:56 PM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaos_Distortion View Post
The title says it all, Bioware like every other developer caved in to the very vocal forum minority which also usually tends to be some of the very worse MMO players in MMOs. This is the beginning of the end. Scoundrels/Operatives did not need a nerf Bioware, as a healer I say this. You need to test your game and use your own metrics before implementing any class changes in game. Do not go by made up scenarios and imaginary numbers that forum posters use to try to make a point. That's the mistake of past mmo devs that has caused their subscriptions to dwindle in the past and I say that as an MMO veteran since 1997 UO, that has played nearly every MMO since then. You should, if possible release surveys in game to also see how players feel about x and x changes before implementing them. You can also use surveys to see if players think some classes are over the top, currently. You will see that the majority of people that actually play the game at 50, don't feel like the random forum whiners/posers that aren't even 50 yet.
Who are you, MMO Nostradamus? This is nothing but a whining, "the sky is falling and we're all doomed" post.

You're the only one here making up scenarios, i.e. saying Bioware doesn't test their own game before making a change. They have metrics for everything. Are you involved in their development process? I play a tank spec Jugg in PvP and right now I think mitigation is the real issue, but any class that currently can pop out of stealth and knock off 10k hp within 2 seconds from a tank needs some burst reduction.

Just because you're an MMO veteran doesn't mean you're any good at the games.

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Chaos_Distortion
01.24.2012 , 10:50 PM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Xacc View Post
Who are you, MMO Nostradamus? This is nothing but a whining, "the sky is falling and we're all doomed" post.

You're the only one here making up scenarios, i.e. saying Bioware doesn't test their own game before making a change. They have metrics for everything. Are you involved in their development process? I play a tank spec Jugg in PvP and right now I think mitigation is the real issue, but any class that currently can pop out of stealth and knock off 10k hp within 2 seconds from a tank needs some burst reduction.

Just because you're an MMO veteran doesn't mean you're any good at the games.
I'm better than you and anyone else that plays this game. Me and my collective clan of pvpers. We don't ***** and moan to try to get things that might kill us nerfed into the ground, we learn to counter it. We have been doing it for years in MMOs, so you trying to call me bad is laughable at best. I learned to deal with WEs when they were "overpowered" (On my healer mind you, when every other terribad healer in the game was crying about them.) in Warhammer by running in my premade with my clannies, and guess what? Those supposed OP'd WEs were perfectly balanced to me in a team pvp setting. So the bads on here are you moronic nerf herders that believe pvp MMOs should be balanced around 1v1s, when they should be balanced around team pvp.
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theblackjew
01.24.2012 , 10:52 PM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaos_Distortion View Post
The title says it all, Bioware like every other developer caved in to the very vocal forum minority which also usually tends to be some of the very worse MMO players in MMOs. This is the beginning of the end. Scoundrels/Operatives did not need a nerf Bioware, as a healer I say this. You need to test your game and use your own metrics before implementing any class changes in game. Do not go by made up scenarios and imaginary numbers that forum posters use to try to make a point. That's the mistake of past mmo devs that has caused their subscriptions to dwindle in the past and I say that as an MMO veteran since 1997 UO, that has played nearly every MMO since then. You should, if possible release surveys in game to also see how players feel about x and x changes before implementing them. You can also use surveys to see if players think some classes are over the top, currently. You will see that the majority of people that actually play the game at 50, don't feel like the random forum whiners/posers that aren't even 50 yet.
wah I can't one shot wah I want to have power not skill wah yes they will cave to the masses your 15 a month<<<<<<<<< those 10000 peoples 15 a month

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Massyma
01.24.2012 , 10:54 PM | #230
I could tell this was someone QQ'ing about the much needed nerf from just the title...

/disregard post

/tips hat to Bioware

Thank You for attempting to bring balance...

(to the OP)
Embrace your anger it only makes you stronger...


/pew pew i <3 PvP