Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

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Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

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Vaegaknight

01.23.2012 , 09:14 AM \| #111	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Offended It's obvious you were not there either. Since the first major server downtime, they gave free game time. Outside of [most] regular maintenance, they had a policy that if there was a day you couldn't play because of the realm being down you got a free day. That policy is still in effect. The funny thing is that today's hardware runs 100x faster than the hardware of mid 2004, when the servers were most likely purchased and brought online. Those servers had to handle tens of thousands of players or more per realm, which completely overloaded them. They had to create the log in queue just to maintain a QoS. I get massive lag in Swtor when there's more than 10-15 people in the area. Playing a warzone like huttball, I get a good second or two of server lag. Yes, having played wow since release date, I 100% know the difference between server lag and network lag. UI mods where being released since before day 1. CT_Mod was the first addon, released shortly before wow going Live. It took a while because people were enjoying the game and not spending hours researching Lua and the XML/Lua interface code and at the time, non-existent documentation about the wow API. Where's Swtors UI? Oh, right that is the one that is non-existant. So, all you have is complaints? What the hell are you doing on this game then? I sincerely hope you cancelled your subscription because if you're paying to -whine-? Then that is very, very sad. If you want to play WoW, go back to WoW. Do it. The game has become a watered down cesspool. I hope you enjoy! P.s I've only lagged a few times on SWTOR. It's a very rare occasion for me. So it's probably you.

Racheakt

01.23.2012 , 09:14 AM \| #112	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Barathos +1 for south park reference. And could somebody explain the +A, AA, AAA license thing? I've never heard of this in MMOs. A+ AA AAA -- all are interchangeable I think. Think of it like comparing a Pixar move to the average Troma release -- if Troma announces a new movie you know what to expect. All references to the popularity of the source lore and the perceived caliber of the developer. Bioware (A list developer) + Star Wars (A list license) = High expectations Cryptic (B List developer)+ Champions (C list license)= Low expectations. Cryptic + Star Trek (A List license)= mid level expectations, with alot of fans who want it to be good. I think with TOR we are the the SW fans wanting this to be better than it is, but sticking with it to see if it develops into a better title.

Vaegaknight

01.23.2012 , 09:17 AM \| #113	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Racheakt A+ AA AAA All references to the popularity of the source lore and the perceived caliber of the developer. Bioware (A list developer) + Star Wars (A list license) = High expectations Cryptic (B List developer)+ Champions (C list license)= Low expectations. Cryptic + Star Trek (A List license)= mid level expectations, with alot of fans who want it to be good. I think with TOR we are the the SW fans wanting this to be better than it is, but sticking with it to see if it develops into a better title. Whining doesn't make games better. Look at WoW. You're not complaining because you want the game to be better, you're complaining because you can. Because you think you're right and that you know better. How do I know this? Because this is the internet. None of you have really provided constructive criticism. That would actually help make the game better. You know, going into the threads the mods have designated for suggestions? How about the suggestions forum? But no. You come to this thread to whine. That's it. Please don't martyr yourself.

Barathos

01.23.2012 , 09:18 AM \| #114	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Racheakt A+ AA AAA All references to the popularity of the source lore and the perceived caliber of the developer. Bioware (A list developer) + Star Wars (A list license) = High expectations Cryptic (B List developer)+ Champions (C list license)= Low expectations. Cryptic + Star Trek (A List license)= mid level expectations, with alot of fans who want it to be good. I think with TOR we are the the SW fans wanting this to be better than it is, but sticking with it to see if it develops into a better title. Ooooh thanks for the explanation! Quote: Originally Posted by Vaegaknight So, all you have is complaints? What the hell are you doing on this game then? I sincerely hope you cancelled your subscription because if you're paying to -whine-? Then that is very, very sad. If you want to play WoW, go back to WoW. Do it. The game has become a watered down cesspool. I hope you enjoy! P.s I've only lagged a few times on SWTOR. It's a very rare occasion for me. So it's probably you. She/He/It is pointing out why WoW had such a bad release and why SWToR should probably be better than that. No need to go all fanboy and ask for she/he/it to end her/his/it's subscription. This post basicly started with "This is when SWTOR did X, this is when WoW did X". Quote: Originally Posted by Vaegaknight Whining doesn't make games better. Look at WoW. You're not complaining because you want the game to be better, you're complaining because you can. Because you think you're right and that you know better. How do I know this? Because this is the internet. None of you have really provided constructive criticism. That would actually help make the game better. You know, going into the threads the mods have designated for suggestions? How about the suggestions forum? But no. You come to this thread to whine. That's it. Please don't martyr yourself. Holy moly... You quoted something that wasn't even remotely hostile! What are you doing? Trying to be the protector of Bioware? Trust me, it never works for ANY company. I tried defending Blizzard in the WoW forums, lol what a joke. You'll end up with the same disappointment at your rate. Bioware is a big boy company, it can defend itself. It always has. Looks at DA2 ok... well...

Mobiwang

01.23.2012 , 09:18 AM \| #115	Quote
Just going to throw this out there: If Bioware released the game with all the content/options WoW has now.... We'd be having space pandas by March. I, for one, do not want space pandas.

Vaegaknight

01.23.2012 , 09:20 AM \| #116	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Barathos Ooooh thanks for the explanation! She/He/It is pointing out why WoW had such a bad release and why SWToR should probably be better than that. No need to go all fanboy and ask for she/he/it to end her/his/it's subscription. This post basicly started with "This is when SWTOR did X, this is when WoW did X". SWOTOR did have a better release than WoW.

Vaegaknight

01.23.2012 , 09:23 AM \| #117	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Barathos Holy moly... You quoted something that wasn't even remotely hostile! What are you doing? Trying to be the protector of Bioware? Trust me, it never works for ANY company. I tried defending Blizzard in the WoW forums, lol what a joke. You'll end up with the same disappointment at your rate. Bioware is a big boy company, it can defend itself. It always has. Looks at DA2 ok... well... I'm not trying to defend Bioware. These people genuinely infuriate me. The whole generation of entitled, lazy, whiny, know-it-all, want-it-now gamers that WoW has bred infuriates me.

Barathos

01.23.2012 , 09:25 AM \| #118	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaegaknight SWOTOR did have a better release than WoW. It did, but if there was a game out that was just as succesful, like WoW, and WoW came out. I'm pretty sure they'd know what the heck to do and how to prevent server lag. WoW went to DAoC and EQ1 for info about MMOs, I would think Bioware did the same, but I havn't heard otherwise. This ability delay was in beta, right? They knew about this in beta, right? And it's not a problem with the servers or anything, it's their ANIMATIONS. I know several people who try other MMOs and dislike them because of how their animations don't like up with what you're actually do. Fludity, if you would. I'm suffering from server lag, I don't CARE if you're not, I DO NOT CARE if you have the most amazing system since 1982! I, not you, am having lag that is because of server lag. I've never gotten this in Rift or any MMO before SWToR. Edit: And this is pointing at the people who say "I don't suffer X, so why should you suffer X?" crowd, not you in particular. Although if you did say this, then i'm pointing at you. :P

RocNessMonster

01.23.2012 , 09:25 AM \| #119	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by vekkth awww thank you so much for reminding me of those, how could i have forgot. Also it was not only Tarren Mill, Ashenvale tennis games were quite popular among lower levels too. And yeah all of that for effing zero i mean ZERO rewards. no pvp items, no ranks, no titles, nothing. ...and that's the way we liked it. PVPing for fun not profit.
I need about tree fitty.

lordgracy

01.23.2012 , 09:28 AM \| #120	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaegaknight SWOTOR did have a better release than WoW. So did lord of the rings, RIFT, Warhammer, etc. And they should. Expectations get higher as technology progresses. Its the natural order of things. This is 2012 and MMOs need to be places on higher standards. At the very least feature full at release with enough content to keep the playerbase busy until the next content patch. I guess its asking too much to have a combat log, and UI customization at launch. Right Fanboys? NO ONE IS SAYING TOR SHOULD HAVE AS MUCH CONTENT AS PRESENT DAY WOW. ITS THE FEATURES. THAT'S THE ISSUE.
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