Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

I love people who claim to know someones motives 100%. What if they simply like the SW theme, and other aspects of the game, but realize the game is pretty ****** from a product standpoint, and are okay admitting that, while still playing the game because there's nothing better (no other SW games) to play right now? Some people NEED a SW MMO to play, though I'm not one of them and BW has until my free 30 days are up to fix ****.

Wow was broken for nearly 3 years from the day it was released. They never ever could keep there servers up, lag free and so on. It crashed nearly every week when a large group of players did anything. Raids went broken for months, quests didnt get fixed until 3-4 months later and so on.

So yeah, SWtor might have problems and some of those problems are a big issue (performance) but compared to wow, there doing about just as good.

In short both had issues and they will get fixed. It just needs time and 4 weeks isnt enough time to fix big issues.

It's funny but Vanilla WoW had less players... no end game and pretty much was broken so badly you would not know it.

It was horrid in beta and was not ready... much worse shape then this game was come live day on the 20th.

Crap I think my server was off a whole day after launch. THEN later on through the week it would roll back all the time.

I remember there being people in it that had no idea what to do... there was less help and info on WHAT to do perse as well.

There was less guidance if you will.

Honestly to compare the two is wrong though, as things have changed. But by all means WoWs launch was really not so good.

Hehe we're on page 10! Lets do dis!

Wait.. what... lol

What WoW did you play? lol

Because I was stuck numerous times and then combat was a balance wreck lol.

Holy crap... I dont know what WoW you played...

Hell there was some patches the server was offline all day... ALL DAY... lol

I even got stuck once in combat and could not get out of it... lol had to have a CSR get control of the toon because it would not stop. Going offline didnt work nothing... lol it was crazy.

For those that said WOW was broken and unplayable after launch please explain to me how its subs went up SEVENFOLD in the first 90 days. If we are going to bash let's be honest. Other than lag and server stability issues on some servers it was fine.

For the record I like both games and have basically made the switch to TOR. I logged into WOW the other day and it just looked 'ugly' to me. BUT that doesn't mean it wasn't a good game for all those years.

This is rather unfair to say don't you think? As there was a huge thread comparing WoW to this game and people were pointing out the virtures of Blizzard. I have played WoW since before it's release and YES they had some major problems and things that were missing when the launched their game. I have played beta's and releases of many other MMO's and they all share that same characteristic. The whole point being is that all MMO's have done this. These types of games are evolving, they are a different genre than FPS's, single player etc. With each of these games there are different criteria for releasing.

Simple. Marketing and a really well worked out casual approach of various game mechanics that older MMO's invented. In short people could come in, play 1 hour and saw big progress. Thats the way it still is with wow these days and thats the way it was in vanilla.

But the first month or 6 of WoW was about the same as ToR is right now. IT had broken content, it had performance issues(albeit less grave then SwTor atm) and it had no real pvp other then some World PvP near SouthShore.

They however had major issues with keeping there servers up and running and lag free. That wasnt fixed for nearly 1-3 years.

He does have a point, though. People are expecting new MMOs that come out to have features that previous MMOs have.

When WoW came out, soloability was one of the most amazing things since cotton candy. You could get started armor EASILY. You didn't need to sift through tons and tons of info on the internet just to figure out how to get gear/spells/where to level, etc.

I get what you're saying, and agree with you, but the guy you quoted does have a pretty good point.

That is the main point. In any case you cant compare a 8 years old game that was one of the first MMO and TOR.
As the Ancient Romas said: "cui prodest?"
Just lets go to play if you enjoy or unsubrisibe is you dont.
Stop with these useless threads.
Btw actually im playin both and enjoyin both.