Great lvling.... Poor Endgame

Well, it's a pretty decent single player game, i'll give it that!



All MMOs I've played so far, which is pretty much every single non asian one that came out since Meridian 59, have been MMOs. By that I mean that the levelling process was a means to an end and grouping was encouraged to beat hard content at endgame (or during levelling). I've never been a hardcore raider but I've done my fair share. In these games, nobody really cared about anything before 50 before it was just...blahblahblah. Ok, you may care once somewhat, because of the novelty, but you don't really care about the story, what that means for your character and the like. You get my point.

The difference here is that for the ENTIRE levelling process, people are a pain as I explained because having them around goes AGAINST the levelling process since it's so single player and story oriented (which I love btw).
So if you're like me, you LOVE the levelling process (unlike most MMOs where it's just ranging from urghhh to whatever), you play the game like it was ME or DA:O or whatnot, very story focused. Then you get to max level and it's like..what the heck? Dailies? HMs. But I had that before, where's the fun I had while levelling gone?

And that's my point really. An entire game developped with two completely different concepts, both opposing each other directly. In one, people are a pain, in the other, people are needed. In one, it's a sRPG, in the other, it's an MMO.

It dosnt make sence to me at all tbh

BW simply made leveling enjoyable if you dont think leveling is still at the bare bones of it a means to an end as you put it your deluding your self as to what this game actually is

Its an MMO, at end game your gonna get the same as every other MMO.

The simple fact of the matter is bioware basically said u know what we can improve leveling and in fact its kinda a shame that they absolutly blow any other MMO leveling experiance out of the water coz now everyone is like whoaaaa!! that leveling was amazing where is this amazing endgame.

The end game is as good as any other MMO to compare Leveling with End Game is that even possible?

I dont think it is imo

Exactly! But to me, and this is only my opinion really, in most MMOs, you just kinda suck it up at some point.
Here however, once I finished my first class quest, I had the EXACT same feeling as when I finished a sRPG such as Mass Effect or DA:O (just using popular ones as example). I had completed the lifespan of this character's story. I was fullfilled with that character, just as I was when I finished other sRPGs.

The shock between THAT feeling, and the "let's now do nothing but dailies" syndrome, just left me completely uninterested. Worst, I WANTED to spacebar through everything because I've already heard it just the day before! 50 levels no spacebarring, not a day into 50 and BAM, I do nothing but spacebarring? What the heck?

As you said, I can play most MMOs to date and get my share of dailies, operations and hard modes, they're all pretty much as good as the other. Heck, there's way way more variation in other MMOs because they've been around longer. SWTOR doesn't bring anything to the table on that front and to be fair, novelty with dailies die in 5 minutes. Operations and the like, sure why not. I'll probably come back in some month just to check them out for a bit.

But a choice between that "meh" feeling of being 50 and rerolling another char, and another char, until there is nothing left...It's a no brainer to me.

(edit: rephrased)
To put it simply:
- If you're going the MMO route, you want a barely decent journey and a good time when you arrive because you're gonna be there for a long, long time.
- If you're going the sRPG route, you want a great journey and not care about the arrival because once the journey is over, nobody sticks around (ever tried to keep playing ME AFTER you finish the main quest? Geeesh boring).

They've gone the sRPG route..on a MMO. It's not a bad MMO, but the journey's WAY better than the arrival...hence the fail in my book.

Rrriiiggghhhttt... And the hero in a movie doesn't save the day for a 5th time in Joe the Ordinary Guy rises for yet another time (I.E. Joe the Ordinary Guy part V)

You're the hero. Dammit I'm glad to be the go to guy to save the galaxy instead of another faceless peon. I like the recognition. If you don't too bad. Think like they didn't really need you and you were just another grunt lending a hand and your input didn't matter.

To get the most out of any end game, in any MMO, it is advisable to play with friends or join a guild i find.

I hit fifty three days ago... I rolled a jedi consular on a standard pop east coast pvp server (Thendrys Noori)....I've have been playing this game non stop since I've gotten it and loved every minute of it...and then I hit 50. Then it's like *** am I supposed to do now...With the new bracketing system for the lvl 50's. I can't even find a WZ.... If I'm lucky enough I get into two of them a day and usually one of the two ends in a forfeit, if not both due to lack of players. So the 50's that had a week or two before the patch to grind pvp gear are just miles ahead..... from killing all the lowbies and now Bioware tell me how this is fair? Got kids running around ilum in full pvp gear and just absolutely destroying anyone who gets close to a node. Don't get me wrong I love pvp and ganking and I can accept being ganked but when I get three shotted by a sorceror... on Ilum and my only chance to obtain similar gear is to wait till I get enough centurion commendations from collecting bags and avoiding being ganked by these pre patch geared 50's....kinda sucks and don't tell me to run flashpoints my guild has the most 50's on the republic side on our server and we have around 11 now.... I have never seen more than 15 50's on at any given time. It's only been three days and I'm already bored of being 50!!! I have nothing to do. You just sent me on an action packed storyline and now you just expect me to run around Ilum collecting freaking armaments from supply crates and reapeating the same quests everyday? I'm just going to re roll I guess... see no point to logging on to my 50 besides doing the daily and showing up for raids.... I love this game from lvl 1-49.

~sigh~ When there was only a few lvl 50's they allowed them into warzones. People were pissed and complained that 2 level 50's changed the tide of battle considerably.

they gave the game a month or so and figured enough time has passed that there would be enough lvl 50's to have their own bracket. The thing is Ilum is where most want to spend their time to gain valor. So those who don't want to go Ilum (mostly Republic) has longer queue times now.

To be honest there is no solution that would make everyone happy. There is a significant amount of level 50's now and some are fully decked out in Battle Master gear. Tossing them up against a level 20 no matter the stat boost so they both have comparable stats isn't going to help with the advantage of Expertise and abilities. You would just have to wait till more lvl up or chose to start back doing Warzones.

I think cross server pvp for WZ's would at least be a step in the right direction for the 50's brackets, or possibly bracket it like WOW 10-19 20-29 etc etc You lessen the massive stat barrier differential between a lvl 45 player and a lvl 11 player. I want to pvp and I want to gear up,....but not by collecting armaments from a supply cache.....

The bashing begins cause you're making yourself bash worthy.

Tell me in your infinite wisdom that says the end-game is poor. What other game is there in existance with better end-game at this moment? Tell me, cause i'd really like to know.
If you're thinking WoW, ill go ahead and tell you you're lieing. Theres 2 5man instances and 1 raid in WoW at the moment. That is not more than what SWTOR offers.

Now I pvp as a healer. Level 25 Operative. I am competitive against the level 49's. Granted they are a bit better but I'm not far off. I actually feel like my char is bad *****. It is because they buffed my stats. I think I'll lose that if they make 10 level brackets. Just my 2credz.