Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

Story diversity is a lie


Duneadah's Avatar


Duneadah
01.23.2012 , 05:04 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by wixxkruppel View Post
Someone didn't read OP.

He is TALKING about CLASS QUESTS.



Bio-drone in denial.



Another bio-drone in denial, who has apparently never played a decent single player RPG.

The problem with swtor's quests, is that they all follow a 100% identical template.

Quest giver: blablabla problem blabla for the empire! Go kill problem.

Player: 5-10 minutes of travel times - 1-2 minutes of actually completing the "kill x amounts of copy paste mobs (who have two lines of scripting AI) in location y" objective.

Quest giver: blablabla, well done! Here is your reward!



Now go play a game like Deus Ex, System Shock 2, Baldur's Gate 2... and come back, so we might continue this discussion.
When was the last time you played RPG games? All of them are the same.... YOU kill stuff, Fetch stuff and interact stuff.... ITS the reason and the story why you do it , there is no other way how to make quest any different . IF there is PLEASe i have asked this before 100 times and haven't got an answer, just give me an example of a quest which wouldn't be a fetch , kill, gather or any other of current mmorpg quests .

Haajib's Avatar


Haajib
01.23.2012 , 05:04 AM | #22
i know theres few jobs out there, but damn, maybe you shuld talk to your parrents once in a while
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1567/duuude.png

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1567/duuude.png

angrYdog's Avatar


angrYdog
01.23.2012 , 05:08 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by NirvyCN View Post
You have FOUR level 50's already? :0

My god..
haha ye thats what i thought too...

lifeless

Anelitt's Avatar


Anelitt
01.23.2012 , 05:15 AM | #24
He has a point though.

For a game that excuses all its massive shortcomings with how great the leveling experience is, its shocking that like 95% of all quests are exactly the same, even cross faction.

Craptastic replay value.

Harower's Avatar


Harower
01.23.2012 , 05:18 AM | #25
Interesting you all seem to think 2-3 hours of gaming a night is a lot

We don't watch tv but sometimes we skip nights to watch a movie due to being tired from work. But gaming together a few hours after work is how we relax. We arn't hardcore at all.

Further more most of you seem to miss the point of what I was saying.

It isn't as simple as "kill x gather y"

I am doing the same objectives with the same people unique to the map in class quests across multiple classes. Class quests, the one thing that you should expect to be different on each char you roll.

I am not saying the nature of quests are similar. I am saying the progression and quests themselves accross all classes class quests are similar.

They simply tack on a different story / circumstance but the class quest progression format is extremely similar.

This is a problem because you expect when you level on the same planet on multiple chars you expect to be doing the same quests.

But I didn't expect for the class quests to be extremely similar in the same zones with extremely similar objectives. I expected them to be a new spin, new material.

But they arn't very unique at all. They even use a lot of the same story just slap on a different reason for needing to do "objective x"





You following yet?
Best swtor picture EVER!!!
http://imgur.com/zgTKy
Mass effect 3 summed up in a single picture
http://i.imgur.com/xDaDH.jpg

Bopper's Avatar


Bopper
01.23.2012 , 05:19 AM | #26
If you have 4 50's and you are not a space bar player which as was said before, since you are complaining of the story plots you must not be. There can not be much wrong with the game in your eyes and maybe you need to find a fault to give you an out? My suggestion is to stop and smell the roses and maybe realise you are playing outside the parameters of a normal player.

Hell i play too much and i only have one lvl 50......

Harower's Avatar


Harower
01.23.2012 , 05:24 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Bopper View Post
If you have 4 50's and you are not a space bar player which as was said before, since you are complaining of the story plots you must not be. There can not be much wrong with the game in your eyes and maybe you need to find a fault to give you an out? My suggestion is to stop and smell the roses and maybe realise you are playing outside the parameters of a normal player.

Hell i play too much and i only have one lvl 50......
What are the paramaters of a normal player?

I don't play much, well 2-3 hours a day in my book isn't much. I used to play other games a lot more.

I don't skip dialogue except when they start to annoy me, which is very very rare.

I hit 50 very fast just cruising along. Just because you don't is a pretty lame reason to start judging others, I wont judge you. It has nothing to do with with my assessment of class quests being so very much the same, just with a different reason for why you are doing it, across the classes I have levelled?

I would be more interested in the opinion of the quests themselves. (wait, is this what they mean by fanboy attack?)



I dont think the answer "well you should expect that" is good because some of the class quests are unique but some really arn't. I think that at least class quests should be unique all the way to 50. Not world quests, just class ones Is that too much?
Best swtor picture EVER!!!
http://imgur.com/zgTKy
Mass effect 3 summed up in a single picture
http://i.imgur.com/xDaDH.jpg

Terko_Koslah's Avatar


Terko_Koslah
01.23.2012 , 05:28 AM | #28
There should be more action inside spaceships! There is some and those are fun but the major grind always happens on a planet. Well...
"Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." -- Jedi Master Yoda

Kyus's Avatar


Kyus
01.23.2012 , 05:30 AM | #29
I enjoy the game, I like warzones (call me a masochist but I really do) and its generally fun to play with friends.

OP is however completely correct, the main feature was story, story, story. followed this game since 09 and that was it all the time. When someone questions combat, we got story story story story.

Some of the writing is ok the voice acting is farely good for the class content, a bit wasted on some of the run of the mill stuff.

The big issue is that Biowares storytelling mechanic is now getting very very dated. The turn up line up with your companion and speak to npc lined up with his people, and pick options like a Jrpg is static lifeless and dull, even the action segments aren't that well captured.

Story can be told in the action and through the action of a game. Voice overs from a com link during missions would be a great first step. why not have a dual of words whilst fighting in game. since the large part of missions are instanced to individual areas this would have been a much better way of engaging the player.
Kyus - Gunslinger - The Katarn Legacy
Hand of Blood
Tomb of Freedon Nadd - EU PVP

Harower's Avatar


Harower
01.23.2012 , 05:31 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Terko_Koslah View Post
There should be more action inside spaceships! There is some and those are fun but the major grind always happens on a planet. Well...
This is true, even though the format goes

2 worlds, spaceship quest
2 worlds, go back to a low level world kill "master/arch nemesis x"


The spaceship fights are usually really unique quests. I would love to all see the class quests be unique like these are.

That way even though you are doing the same quests on each planet, you can rely on the class quests to be a unique experience all the way through.

This isn't true though, im doing a lot of the same things on the same worlds no matter what class I am playing. IN CLASS QUESTS.

It is the fact I can go "hey I did this on my Bounty hunters class quest" while on another class that bothers me.
Best swtor picture EVER!!!
http://imgur.com/zgTKy
Mass effect 3 summed up in a single picture
http://i.imgur.com/xDaDH.jpg