Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

You want compare, I'll give you comparison.

I started playing WoW something couple weeks after release. That time I had Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo with: Athlon 3200+, freaking 1Gb RAM, dedicated ATI video card with freaking 32Mb deticated RAM on it. That time it was $2000 laptop and WoW was running fine on it.
Can you play TOR on that laptop, no, because all hardware became obsolete during time. But you still need a $2K laptop to run TOR.
Same as Vanilla WoW became obsolete with in 7 years.
So you trying compare game from 2011 with obsolete game from 2004. What is the point?
You know, even if you gold plate pile of crap, it does not turn it in to chocolate.
In current state, that's what TOR is, a pile of crap.

you can still play wow on that laptop too.

True, bit laggy but playable. As with Cata gfx card specs demand was risen.

The problem with comparing early WoW to early TOR is that early WoW does not exist anymore. You can only fairly compare TOR to what's currently on the market, because that's what you are competing with.

Many denizens on this forum would argue that they've had 7 years to watch WoW and get it right, and they're half correct. Watching WoW doesn't give you blemish-free code, and given that most people just use Betas to play the game and not actually test it, BW didn't have much ability to prepare a bug-free world.

The part where the denizens are right though is that there are features that games like WoW have implemented that have proven widely successful (if not for some criticism), and not adding those elements diminishes the game as it relates to other games like it.

The other poster was right actually. As example, before Omen became a popular standard there was KTM.

However, that said, months before SWToR actually went live the devs had already spoken of things that were currently missing from the game, but already spoken of or adressed to be implemented or on the table. Things like mods, guildbanks, UI customization etc. It is pretty sad that people just keep hammering about these things, when they had already stated long ago that they were looking into it already.

I personally feel BioWare has done a good job in the way they released the game, and what their currrent focus is: fixing things first so people can actually play the game, before focussing on adding new content and stuff.

While I get that people will always be comparing existing products versus new ones, people really need to realize that creating an mmo really isn't as easy at seems. The complexity is so much more in creating an mmo versus a singleplayer game or your standard fps multiplayer game.

While I agree that one shouldn't really be comparing SWToR to WoW at release, you still need to look at the bigger picture. There are so many things WoW didn't have, but has had plenty of time to copy from other games making it into the game it is today. You simply can't expect a newly released game to have the same amount of content that a game who's been around for like 8+ years already (including development time).

Also, there simply will always be bugs in a game, regardless of it's state. Especially in dynamic games like mmo's, where new content is added frequently and many changes are made to balance certain things or fixing other bugs.

That said, SWToR still isn't the perfect game, but neither is WoW (and I've played WoW for over 6 years so I feel I can say that from a fair amount of experience). But again, that said, SWToR, like WoW, is a game that has so much potential in my opinion to become a great game, and I am definately sticking around to see where BioWare will take it.

Yeah ... but SWTOR major patch only came to made me pissed since they implemented a Ilum farm for valor , even if they now are trying to ... fix that ... they still made a BIG mistake.

If Blizzard takes more time but avoid this kind of test using the players method it already proves to me at least it is a better company.

Don't play new games on crappy laptops?

I would reply but I'm still kneeling to loot the mob I just killed and sliding all over the world.
Oh look at that, I just looted -1 copper.

What it has to with new games? We comparing TOR to WoW vanilla.

So TOR was actually a time machine that made you go back to 2004, sweet!