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Orkayl
01.22.2012 , 11:52 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by _Nobby_ View Post
Really poor response mate. BH spam tracer missle because they can. Just the same as Sorcs can spam force lightning. It gives you an easy way to do high damage repeatedly because the ability has a low heat cost and it provides a rediculous debuff.

As vanguard, I spend at least half of my globals on auto attacks because of having to maintain a decent ammunition level. Ion Pulse is the only spammable ability I have and has a high ammo cost compared to a BH specced into tracer missle. My big hitting abilities have relatively long CDs. Without taking binds for taunts and defensive CDs, i've got six buttons i'm regularly pushing during sustained combat. Most BH I face will just use tracer missle. If I interrupt them, the jump around for four seconds and start casting it again. If they aren't brain-dead they'll cast unload on me or rocket punch.

It's human nature to take the easy way out.
No, we can't. 25 heat isn't a 'low' heat cost. You can spam exactly 5 if you proc a crit to vent 8 heat before you have to vent.

No BH just spams tracer nonstop.

As many others have already stated, nobody is ever going to take you serious when you just make up data and exaggerate the **** out of things.

If you really wanted to make a legitimate argument you would come with real data, and a real knowledge of how to play the spec. If tracer/grav was overpowered (it's not) then you wouldn't need to exaggerate to try to make it seem that way.

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Kipchak
01.22.2012 , 11:54 PM | #182
I thought OP to be hilarious.

Quit "l2p, youre bad" crap. He ain't saying mercs are OP. It is tragic, and OP is right to some extent.

Think that you play a 321321321 micro management button marauder/sentinel against a merc/commando. It gets even funnier.

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Stabbitha
01.22.2012 , 11:55 PM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Rakimou View Post
Whatever. So what should we ***** about? Let's ***** about BioWare making a 3-button class.
Tracer missile spammers, I still hate you.
This just in: Stationary range DPS characters should not do DPS while stationary and players are at range in front of them.

Coming shortly:So you're wearing cloth and explode like a biscuit when I give you an uppercut, you must be nerfed!!!

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Stratoforce
01.22.2012 , 11:56 PM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by Orkayl View Post
There is no imbalance. If you believe there is so adamantly then find a merc and a commando with the same stats and have them attack the same target enough times to get real data.

I've noticed a huge trend by repubs on these forums to try to explain away underperforming in WZs with 'imbalances' of which only about 5% have any validity.

Also, FWIW there are probably just as many imbalances with the mirrors the other way, but Emps who are used to winning all the time don't spend half their playtime try to find any excuse for losing except poor coordination/teamwork/gear.

Obviously I am generalizing (sorry if this doesn't apply to you personally) but there is a definite trend with this attitude.
I play both sides.

My trooper has MORE gear than the BH in question, and Grav rounds doesn't hit as hard. My trooper actually has 9% more extra damage on critical. Like most Troopers now, I've went assault specialist for PvP.

I like to experience things myself before making any sort of claim. I enjoy playing both Republic and Empire too, so. :P
Haters Gonna Hate.
Never give up the fight.
Kolto for your cuts.

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Orkayl
01.22.2012 , 11:59 PM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Stratoforce View Post
I play both sides.

My trooper has MORE gear than the BH in question, and Grav rounds doesn't hit as hard. My trooper actually has 9% more extra damage on critical. Like most Troopers now, I've went assault specialist for PvP.

I like to experience things myself before making any sort of claim. I enjoy playing both Republic and Empire too, so. :P
All I read is that empire players have more expertise/mitigation on average than republic.

I already knew that.

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Stratoforce
01.23.2012 , 12:01 AM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by Orkayl View Post
No, we can't. 25 heat isn't a 'low' heat cost. You can spam exactly 5 if you proc a crit to vent 8 heat before you have to vent.

No BH just spams tracer nonstop.

As many others have already stated, nobody is ever going to take you serious when you just make up data and exaggerate the **** out of things.

If you really wanted to make a legitimate argument you would come with real data, and a real knowledge of how to play the spec. If tracer/grav was overpowered (it's not) then you wouldn't need to exaggerate to try to make it seem that way.
You can get off way more than 5 Tracer missles. I get off 6 on my level 21 BH before he is maxed heat, assuming I am being lazy and that is all I am doing.

25-9=16.

http://www.torhead.com/ability/74A88UM/tracer-missile

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#300ZMIkboMb.1

Assuming you get any Terminal Velocity procs, you can easily get off 8 before filling up a heat bar. Hell, even 9.
Haters Gonna Hate.
Never give up the fight.
Kolto for your cuts.

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_Nobby_
01.23.2012 , 12:03 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by Orkayl View Post
No, we can't. 25 heat isn't a 'low' heat cost. You can spam exactly 5 if you proc a crit to vent 8 heat before you have to vent.

No BH just spams tracer nonstop.

As many others have already stated, nobody is ever going to take you serious when you just make up data and exaggerate the **** out of things.

If you really wanted to make a legitimate argument you would come with real data, and a real knowledge of how to play the spec. If tracer/grav was overpowered (it's not) then you wouldn't need to exaggerate to try to make it seem that way.
Five missles is more than enough to drop me once my ability to passively mitigate damage is serverly diminished. The stats I currently have in PvP gear are:

-52% damage reduction
-12% defence chance
-37% shield chance
-42% absorption
-10.8% damage reduction from expertise

BH are fully capable of only using tracer missle. During stuns I put on them, interrupts and periods where they are attempting to get distance from me, they are disipating heat adding 1-2 more missles they can cast in their effective combat period. At the end of that period, i'm dead or they are.

There's no need to exaggerate here. There's no combat log with no real data. I also played BH in beta.

You can't tell me that in a voidstar game you don't constantly see clowns on the attacking team standing behind the sorcs mashing their tracer missle keybinds. I could make a stop-motion, Benny Hill style video from screen shots all day long it's that rediculous.
Nobby 50 Vanguard
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Machazareel
01.23.2012 , 12:05 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayshadow View Post
Operatives said the same thing about their overpowered attacks in PvP.
Operatives *and* Scoundrels were saying that. You know why? Because they're mirrors and the abilities do the same amount of damage.

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Mattpatt
01.23.2012 , 12:09 AM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Proto View Post
This ^

The people that get owned by Tracer missile are the ones that simply don't pay attention and deserve a quick death.
Safe to say before 1.1.1, people who didn't get out of range once up from being knocked down by a Operative deserve to die aswell?

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Rogobono
01.23.2012 , 12:10 AM | #190
I have a Mercenary, and you are FORCED into pushing this one, single button, over and over. I disliked it so much i just scrapped it at level 50 and moved on. Something need be done, not only with this but with EXPERTISE! SCRAP EXPERTISE!