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[POLL] Damage Meters


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bliapis
01.22.2012 , 11:34 PM | #21
yup the game starts getting competive. Id like a damage meter. Start with a version that will pop up at the end of the encounter for example like an analysis of who did what, be it damage soaking, dps selivery or hps.
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Phinion
01.22.2012 , 11:35 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Arctorius View Post
Having it on allows me to see who is carrying their weight and who isn't. I hate people who link them over and over again because they're doing better than everyone else. And I hate people who are jerks about it. But jerks will be jerks whether they have DPS meters or not. And frankly people who don't pull their weight and can't take constructive criticism about how to improve their group play shouldn't be doing groups.
Thats because if they do not pull "their" weight as you say they should you just boot them from the group so they can never improve.

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Keihryon
01.22.2012 , 11:35 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Baastila View Post
I don't get how people think damage meter is a bad thing. For those of you think "this isn't WoW, damage meter is retarded", please understand that w/out a damage meter, we don't know which rotation works out the best for us. It will also tell us who isn't pulling the weight in HM FL and ops. Since normal groups are in 4's, not 5's, it is imperative for every member to pull their own weight, even if a single dps doesn't pull his own weight, it will be almost impossible to do a HM FL.

I understand that most "casual" players don't want a damage meter just simply because they will be more likely the ones pulling lower dps, and will likely be kicked from a group, that is not a reason why you should torment other group members for hours with wipes. If you are casual, and can't pull your own weight in a more "pro" group, just simply leave the group and find like-minded people and wipe for 5 hours, I promise you nobody will then b*t#h at you.
And I can't understand how people think just because someone doesn't want it that they automatically suck at playing the game. Or that because someone is a "casual" gamer they are bad players. And actually, if you can't figure out what works best for you by observing how much easier/harder something becomes without such a tool, you aren't as good as you think you are. <~is a general statement not necessarily made to the above poster.

I'll reiterate, too much abuse of these tools by people that don't understand the games mechanics and think that the number is the end all be all of skill.

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Bossalinie
01.22.2012 , 11:36 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Baastila View Post
Can you be more selfish? So what you are saying is that you are fine with your group wiping for 2 hours on a boss because you can't pull your own weight? Way to waste other people's time.
No, he is saying he is tired of needledicks blowing gaskets over 100 dps. If you are wiping over that, then DM won't fix your problem.

Obviously he is the selfish one because Bioware decided not to put DM in the game, right?

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DaxRendar
01.22.2012 , 11:36 PM | #25
Nope... Logs are enough

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Chiltonium
01.22.2012 , 11:36 PM | #26
I dont even see rate thread, and no. no thanks.
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Arctorius
01.22.2012 , 11:38 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Phinion View Post
Thats because if they do not pull "their" weight as you say they should you just boot them from the group so they can never improve.
I'm pretty sure I said they should be able to take constructive criticism... checking checking...

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And frankly people who don't pull their weight and can't take constructive criticism about how to improve their group play shouldn't be doing groups.
Hmm yup there it is. Constructive criticism.
My 2 cents

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LogicalPremise
01.22.2012 , 11:38 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Baastila View Post
I understand that most "casual" players don't want a damage meter just simply because they will be more likely the ones pulling lower dps, and will likely be kicked from a group, that is not a reason why you should torment other group members for hours with wipes. If you are casual, and can't pull your own weight in a more "pro" group, just simply leave the group and find like-minded people and wipe for 5 hours, I promise you nobody will then b*t#h at you.
Hint: Casuals don't raid. Never have.
Hint: Low DPS on DPS classes is pretty obvious.

Damage meters are the first step toward the people with more ePeen than skill gaining the upper hand. Again -- when I have to be geared better than gear I can get in a Raid to join the raid, then the system is borked.

Having participated through NM raids, I'm thinking if you're still wiping at this point, you're just all pack of bads. We've (the community) cleared almost everything without any tools to speak of at all (except Soa, but he's buggier than an ant nest, so no surprises there).

If you're a bad, and can't put together a competent group, just simply go back to playing Normal Mode and find other bads and tell yourself you're a "leet". I promise everyone will be laughing at you.
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Humidd
01.22.2012 , 11:38 PM | #29
YEP!

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Leiloni
01.22.2012 , 11:39 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Keihryon View Post
Out of game parser or personal only damage meter that you can choose to share, or both.

In-game real-time group meter. No.

Too much abuse by people that don't understand game mechanics thinking that number is the end all be all of skill.
No WoW style DPS meters. What the above player suggests is what I'd be ok with.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=1753652#edit1753270